The DeSantis containment thread -- all things DeSantis go here

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SpaceCoastVol said:
He has the best insurance policy ever conceived:

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Oh he will never be removed from office,,but he can be impeached and let his corruption see the light of day. JIT for 2024.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Such as what, exactly?

Without even trying to do so, you point out a real flaw in his presidency. The policies which he enacted were able to be removed with executive orders, because that was how they were implemented. Even though Republicans had control of both chambers of Congress during Trump's first two years in office, he could get very little legislation passed. The tax cuts were basically it. Trump governed by way of executive order.

... and let's look at what he could not do :

1) Repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act? No.
2) Help reduce spending? No. (He actually said he would eliminate the debt while President.)
3) Build new stretches of border wall, and see to it that Mexico paid for it? No.

The reality is, there isn't much of a Trump legacy to talk about. The 3 Supreme Court Justices are pretty much it ... but that was more a function of Republicans having a majority in the Senate, than it was an achievement of his own.
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The southern border says hi.
China aggression says hi
Ukraine being invaded says hi.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The southern border says hi.
China aggression says hi
Ukraine being invaded says hi.
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So does the Build Back Better Act .... that was legislation passed to address the long overdue rebuild of American infrastructure. That was another Trump 2016 campaign pledge which went unfulfilled, even though Republicans had control of both chambers of Congress from January of 2017 to January of 2019.
 
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NCFisher said:
Why should an employer be able to force me into an experimental vaccine? Or businesses be able, more than a year after the virus became known in the U.S., to deny me services/goods, including medical care? Who's on the right side of liberty here? It can't be both.

The people of FL - and people nationally - are against the sexualization and anti-American indoctrination of their children. Is DeSantis to represent the voters of FL, or Disney productions with a "not so secret gay agenda...wherever possible (sic) adding queerness" in it's programming? FL voters spoke again in November.

DeSantis is right to take this fight.
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I'm curious if you feel there are instances where a business is allowed to refuse goods/services to a paying customer. I'm also curious as to what requires a medical provider to accept anyone as a patient.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The southern border says hi.
China aggression says hi
Ukraine being invaded says hi.
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Trump was fairly isolationist. He seemed to be against spending American capital on European disputes. What do you think he would have done to prevent or respond to the Ukraine invasion?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Kiss Putin's butt ... which is all that he ever did anyway.
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It is called diplomacy. Hell, Trump imposed tariffs on CCP and still had better relations with China. They dont even answer Biden's calls.
Rocketman was at least at the table and stopped his missile launches.
And dont confuse diplomacy with appeasement.
 
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NCFisher said:
That's fine, but overlooks the customer or employee in both that association AND says you don't get to own yourself in society as I want it. And to hell with your privacy and medical rights. That's a recipe for furthering restriction of liberty, not advancing it. I think conservatives and libertarians need to wake up.

Is there another self-governing FL company similar to Disney that took a public stance against the parents rejecting sexualization of kids and generated public ire of the voters? That might be why 'just Disney'.
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How am I overlooking freedom of association for the employee or customer? Nobody is forcing people to patronize or work for an employer that requires the jab. I hate to tell you this but employers already are entitled to a certain level of control over employee medical history. There are pre-employment physicals, drug screens and ability to preform physicals done daily as a condition of employment. By banning an employers right to set their employment conditions FL/DeSantis restricted liberty and you’re right. Conservatives need to WTF up and see DeSantis for what he is and that is not conservative.

Speaking of conservatives waking up, no conservative would support punitive legislation against a person or business for political disagreement.
 
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Orangeburst said:
It is called diplomacy. Hell, Trump imposed tariffs on CCP and still had better relations with China. They dont even answer Biden's calls.
Rocketman was at least at the table and stopped his missile launches.
And dont confuse diplomacy with appeasement.
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What specific diplomatic measures would/could Trump have undertaken to prevent the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
 
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And Trump was correct about NATO spending and Nordstream 2.
In some TDS twisted logic, it was portrayed as Trump leaving NATO.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
What specific diplomatic measures would/could Trump have undertaken to prevent the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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IDK..he could have presented repercussions or logic. Fact is, if you dont talk, we will never know. At least Putin would have listened. Xi won't even answer Biden's calls.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Trump was fairly isolationist. He seemed to be against spending American capital on European disputes. What do you think he would have done to prevent or respond to the Ukraine invasion?
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Who knows if Putin would have invaded had Trump stayed in office.
 
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Trump was even negotiating normalized relations and peace between Arab nations and Israel.
 
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Orangeburst said:
IDK..he could have presented repercussions or logic. Fact is, if you dont talk, we will never know. At least Putin would have listened. Xi won't even answer Biden's calls.
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I'm pretty sure Putin assumed the repercussions from a Biden admin would be harsher than those from a Trump admin, given the rhetoric. Are you thinking putin didn't already assume there would be repercussions?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I'm pretty sure Putin assumed the repercussions from a Biden admin would be harsher than those from a Trump admin, given the rhetoric. Are you thinking putin didn't already assume there would be repercussions?
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Doubt you'll convince the Trumpsters that he would be overly soft on Putin. That puts them in a very uncomfortable position.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Doubt you'll convince the Trumpsters that he would be overly soft on Putin. That puts them in a very uncomfortable position.
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I'm not convincing them of anything. I just want to know what Trump policies would have deterred the invasion and what they think Trump would have done had it happened on his watch.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I'm pretty sure Putin assumed the repercussions from a Biden admin would be harsher than those from a Trump admin, given the rhetoric. Are you thinking putin didn't already assume there would be repercussions?
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Neither of us is privy to what could be done or hypothetically guess.
Fact is, Putin saw an opportunity to invade under Biden.
 
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Orangeburst said:
It is called diplomacy. Hell, Trump imposed tariffs on CCP and still had better relations with China. They dont even answer Biden's calls.
Rocketman was at least at the table and stopped his missile launches.
And dont confuse diplomacy with appeasement.
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It's called carrying water for an adversary, who is an authoritarian ruler, and an enemy of peace.

Trump sides with Putin over U.S. intelligence during remarkable press conference in Helsinki

Trump Won’t Denounce Russian Hack Because He’s Still Subservient to Putin

^^^^ There is not a good explanation for this. ^^^^
 
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