Gun control debate (merged)

#25,828
#25,828
turbovol said:
Look! Two more of the "responsible, law-abiding gun owners" the crazy gun crowd is always telling us about!

Multiple these two dopes by a million, throw in a huge dose of mental health problems with people all over the country, and
a sane person could see why making gun ownership easy, why promoting gun ownership, is grossly irresponsible and has
imperiled the safety of all Americans.

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2 more crazy Democrats... BAN TRANS NOT GUNS!!

GO VOLS!!!!
 
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#25,830
#25,830
Hard to look at that and think “it’s the guns”
 

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K-town Vol Fan said:
Black Family Demands Justice After White Man Shoots Black Boy Twice for Ringing Doorbell of Wrong Home

When someone rings your alls doorbell and you aren't expecting anyone, is your first thought to shoot them in the head? This isn't stand your ground...this is cold blooded murder.


Just as our forefathers intended.....
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Sounds bad, but as usual, the whole story doesnt come out immediately and important context can be left out in favor of a narrative. Not saying that is what happened, but I'll give it time to see what comes out.
 
#25,834
#25,834
Two in the last week or so. In the first, the black teenager who was by all accounts a great kid, was standing at a guy's front door at the wrong house trying to pick up his siblings. Without warning or inquiry, the homeowner shot him. He survived.

In the second, a white teen girl and her friends went up the wrong driveway trying to find a friend's house. Again, with no warning, the homeowner shot into the car. She died.

I don't see how we manage to put common sense into all these homeowners now arming themselves. Maybe we add some sort of basic agreement to a gun purchase that the homeowner agrees not to use the firearm for self defense except in certain cases, or where warning is given.

This is a less frequent problem than others. But these two cases illustrate once again that a lot of people who are able to obtain and possess guns should never have been able to in the first place.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Two in the last week or so. In the first, the black teenager who was by all accounts a great kid, was standing at a guy's front door at the wrong house trying to pick up his siblings. Without warning or inquiry, the homeowner shot him. He survived.

In the second, a white teen girl and her friends went up the wrong driveway trying to find a friend's house. Again, with no warning, the homeowner shot into the car. She died.

I don't see how we manage to put common sense into all these homeowners now arming themselves. Maybe we add some sort of basic agreement to a gun purchase that the homeowner agrees not to use the firearm for self defense except in certain cases, or where warning is given.

This is a less frequent problem than others. But these two cases illustrate once again that a lot of people who are able to obtain and possess guns should never have been able to in the first place.
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What cases should one use a firearm on their own property as self defense?
 
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#25,839
sonofUT62 said:
Police in NM killed an innocent man this week by going to the wrong address. You get them to control their guns and then we’ll talk about mine.
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Neither person here was a cop. They were complete innocents, one dead, one severely injured. For no reason at all other than trigger happy folks like you warning them of impending doom and the gubmint coming to get them.
 
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utvols88 said:
What cases should one use a firearm on their own property as self defense?
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99.99 percent of the time people coming onto your property mean no one any harm. Shoot a lot of girl scouts and trick or treaters, do you?

Simply coming up your driveway or accidentally knocking on the wrong door should not be met immediately with gunshots without even a "hello. Who's there?"
 
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lawgator1 said:
99.99 percent of the time people coming onto your property mean no one any harm. Shoot a lot of girl scouts and trick or treaters, do you?

Simply coming up your driveway or accidentally knocking on the wrong door should not be met immediately with gunshots without even a "hello. Who's there?"
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I, personally, would not shoot someone in those situations but the girl scouts have cost me a lot of money so it's on the table.

In regards to the kid picking up siblings, idk what's true with that because some stories say he entered the home, others say he rang the doorbell. I'll wait for facts to be agreed upon before making judgement. Didn't hear about the other story but if you're going to require, by law, certain situations apply, surely you have a way to draw that line that doesn't endanger the homeowner to benefit a criminal. I'm interested in hearing those.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Neither person here was a cop. They were complete innocents, one dead, one severely injured. For no reason at all other than trigger happy folks like you warning them of impending doom and the gubmint coming to get them.
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The point is the police operate under rules and training like you advocate yet still shoot people. How does your suggestion fix anything?
 
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utvols88 said:
I, personally, would not shoot someone in those situations but the girl scouts have cost me a lot of money so it's on the table.

In regards to the kid picking up siblings, idk what's true with that because some stories say he entered the home, others say he rang the doorbell. I'll wait for facts to be agreed upon before making judgement. Didn't hear about the other story but if you're going to require, by law, certain situations apply, surely you have a way to draw that line that doesn't endanger the homeowner to benefit a criminal. I'm interested in hearing those.
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Entered the house? Reporting I've seen is he was standing on the porch outside the front door. Homeowner saus he had pulled on the door, teen denies that. Homeowner admits he just shot the guy through the door with no words exchanged at all.

Should be easy to see if the kid's fingerprints or DNA are on the doorknob. But even then I'd think there'd be SOME exchange of words.
 
#25,845
#25,845
lawgator1 said:
Two in the last week or so. In the first, the black teenager who was by all accounts a great kid, was standing at a guy's front door at the wrong house trying to pick up his siblings. Without warning or inquiry, the homeowner shot him. He survived.

In the second, a white teen girl and her friends went up the wrong driveway trying to find a friend's house. Again, with no warning, the homeowner shot into the car. She died.

I don't see how we manage to put common sense into all these homeowners now arming themselves. Maybe we add some sort of basic agreement to a gun purchase that the homeowner agrees not to use the firearm for self defense except in certain cases, or where warning is given.

This is a less frequent problem than others. But these two cases illustrate once again that a lot of people who are able to obtain and possess guns should never have been able to in the first place.
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How about we prosecute those homeowners for their crimes and leave the rest of us who haven't committed an offense alone?
 
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hog88 said:
How about we prosecute those homeowners for their crimes and leave the rest of us who haven't committed an offense alone?
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Its retrospective but we've reached a point where we need to be proactive about guns, it's pretty obvious we have a gun problem.
 
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#25,847
lawgator1 said:
Entered the house? Reporting I've seen is he was standing on the porch outside the front door. Homeowner saus he had pulled on the door, teen denies that. Homeowner admits he just shot the guy through the door with no words exchanged at all.

Should be easy to see if the kid's fingerprints or DNA are on the doorknob. But even then I'd think there'd be SOME exchange of words.
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If the kid didn't enter or try to open the door, then the homeowner was, at the very least, morally wrong. Self defense may not apply because it'd be hard to argue fearful of your life in that situation. So we have a situation where a prosecution can happen. Why restrict his neighbor from having or acquiring a gun?
 
#25,848
#25,848
lawgator1 said:
Its retrospective but we've reached a point where we need to be proactive about guns, it's pretty obvious we have a gun problem.
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No. We have a gun problem in certain elements of society with a few unfortunate situations like this. The county I live in has had 7 shootings in 4 years and 5 of those were domestic.
 
#25,850
#25,850
lawgator1 said:
Its retrospective but we've reached a point where we need to be proactive about guns, it's pretty obvious we have a gun problem.
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Actually it's pretty obvious that we do not have a gun problem. The purchase of guns have never been regulated as much as they are today yet when the regulations were much looser we didn't have these issues. We have a people problem, not a gun problem.
 
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