Gun control debate (merged)

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GroverCleveland said:
Is a week now considered "instant?" If you are defining a week as now being "instant" and have a single example, sounds like an exception that proves the rule: the problem is with people and/or society as a whole.
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I used the latest example. A week is relatively instant.
The whole people problem is just a copout. Of course we have a people problem, always have and always will. It's the nature of humans. But there are multiple variables intertwined with the "people problem" that can and should be addressed.
 
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luthervol said:
I used the latest example. A week is relatively instant.
The whole people problem is just a copout. Of course we have a people problem, always have and always will. It's the nature of humans. But there are multiple variables intertwined with the "people problem" that can and should be addressed.
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So besides gun control, which I'm assuming is one of your "multiple variables", let's hear some of your suggestions to addressing these variables to our "people problem".
 
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LouderVol said:
its more difficult to get a gun than it is to vote, and apparently voting is too hard even though it impacts far more people.
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Yep. According to the left it’s Jim Crow to expect a black person to either have an ID or simply know the last 4 of their social security number.

I couldn’t imagine having such a low opinion of black people.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm sure that the majority do. I'm also sure that there are many who do not. Didn't the KY guy purchase his AR15 less than a week prior to his rampage?
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mister rational and reasonable is more than doubling his restrictions again. you originally wanted a 3 day wait period. now a week isn't enough?
 
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LouderVol said:
mister rational and reasonable is more than doubling his restrictions again. you originally wanted a 3 day wait period. now a week isn't enough?
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The slippery slope continues. His entire reasoning for why he can impose severe limitations in the first place is “you can’t own a bazooka”.

Then they wonder why many of us refuse to budge.
 
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luthervol said:
I used the latest example. A week is relatively instant.
The whole people problem is just a copout. Of course we have a people problem, always have and always will. It's the nature of humans. But there are multiple variables intertwined with the "people problem" that can and should be addressed.
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no. the gun angle is the copout. you have been going after the guns for a while now and in your head the problem is getting worse, not better.

Fewer people own guns now.
There are more restrictions on guns now.
There are more restrictions on purchasing guns now.
There are more restrictions on where you can take guns, both specific places, and across state lines.

you have been targeting guns this whole time, and have achieved nothing. at some point you have to admit that the strategy of going after the guns isn't working.

and to the highlighted section, until you are as aggressive as going after the people as you are going after the guns, no you aren't being serious about the people problem. Its seems very reasonable, if you admit there is a people part of the equation, that they should have similar restrictions as what you are pushing for guns.

you cop out of the people problem saying its too difficult.
 
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LouderVol said:
its more difficult to get a gun than it is to vote, and apparently voting is too hard even though it impacts far more people.
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I would be surprised to see Luther backing such a waiting period for voting. If we're going to require education before purchasing firearms then it will be perfectly legal to do the same for voting. Not sure he wants that box opened
 
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LouderVol said:
its more difficult to get a gun than it is to vote, and apparently voting is too hard even though it impacts far more people.
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As it should be. But you can only vote once per election. Luckily, people can't buy as many votes as they wish.....whenever and wherever they wish.
 
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jp1 said:
So besides gun control, which I'm assuming is one of your "multiple variables", let's hear some of your suggestions to addressing these variables to our "people problem".
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Laws and regulations on alcohol and drugs. Education. Responsible birth control. An economic system that is perceived as being fair.
 
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luthervol said:
Luckily, people can't buy as many votes as they wish
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utvolpj said:
I would be surprised to see Luther backing such a waiting period for voting. If we're going to require education before purchasing firearms then it will be perfectly legal to do the same for voting. Not sure he wants that box opened
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I have told him time and again I don't see how one could argue a set of restrictions on one right that isn't applied to all others.

voting is the most dangerous thing one can do. You are deciding the input on your entire community, or whatever region the vote is for. and it controls every aspect of ones life.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yep. According to the left it’s Jim Crow to expect a black person to either have an ID or simply know the last 4 of their social security number.

I couldn’t imagine having such a low opinion of black people.
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I'm guessing that you probably can.
 
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luthervol said:
Laws and regulations on alcohol and drugs. Education. Responsible birth control. An economic system that is perceived as being fair.
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Care to share more information on your drugs and alcohol regulation? Also, what is your idea on responsible birth control? As for "fair" economic system, I'm not sure how you can have a more fair system, but I would love to hear your ideas on the subject.
 
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luthervol said:
As it should be. But you can only vote once per election. Luckily, people can't buy as many votes as they wish.....whenever and wherever they wish.
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"as it should be" but you still consider it too easy and "instant" . once again your use of loose language betrays your intent to take away far more than what you otherwise let on. rational and reasonable is more like "untrustworthy and deceptive"

yes you can vote more than once. you aren't limited in only voting for one race or issue. and you also have things like lobbying. your participation in elections doesn't stop with the vote. you can protest, you can petition, you can work directly with the candidates and try and convince other people who they should vote for. you can attend rallies. also you are typically voting for more than one candidate or issue, so by the time you are done you have voted on potentially dozens of individual issues that impact your local community at various levels.
 
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luthervol said:
Laws and regulations on alcohol and drugs. Education. Responsible birth control. An economic system that is perceived as being fair.
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there's your problem. that is a constantly shifting target that is 100% driven by subjective people easily lied to.
 
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utvolpj said:
I would be surprised to see Luther backing such a waiting period for voting. If we're going to require education before purchasing firearms then it will be perfectly legal to do the same for voting. Not sure he wants that box opened
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I love when the left constantly talks about training after this incidents. As if mass shootings occur because people just don’t know what’s gonna happen if they pull the trigger in a crowd
 
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