Gun control debate (merged)

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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, in that case, I vote for hand grenades, and RPGs too. I think I'm going shopping today as well. Quality Machine Guns For Sale - MACHINE GUNS USA
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I would vote for that too. and I would vote for holding them responsible for any action they took with that equipment, even though that isn't part of the narrative you have created for me.

I have always said I would be willing to accept the same limitations on civilian purchase of weapons as we do on non-DOD, a very inclusive list, government agencies. if my local police force can have a tank, I can have a tank. If they CAN'T have tear gas, it makes sense that I can't have tear gas. If the IRS can have fully automatic weapons, I can have fully automatic weapons. if the Department of Homeland Security can have drones spying on me, I can have drones keeping an eye on my garden to drop grenades on the squirrels eating my tomatoes. the vaguest and lightest standard the government is held to should be the starting point of rational and reasonable limitations on the civilians they are supposedly serving.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
25 year old white male "legally" and casually creating a massacre, because access to guns is more important than regulation, when it comes to politicians paid to look the other way by gun manufacturers.

Instead, we are to consistently ignore how these makers create more guns than we need, resulting in unimaginable yet avoidable horrors upon humanity.

Let's have hearings on TikTok, instead. The corporate agenda necessitates our suffering and constant fear of gun violence, the dollar demands it.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
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The more I read this rant, the dumber it gets. From the top:

1. Mass murder isn’t legal as your first sentence implies.

2. The “gun lobbies” and “gun manufacturers” pay politicians to do nothing is possibly the dumbest argument you could ever make. Do you think gun lobbies pay the numerous posters on here to disagree? Are you so arrogant to believe the only way to disagree with you is to be paid off to do so?

3. “Make more than we need”? I don’t even know how you quantify that. Idk how many are needed, nor do you.

4. “Constant fear of gun violence”. No one has consistent fear of gun violence unless they live in a left wing city or black neighborhood. Despite the medias best efforts to lie to us and claim we should be in constant fear.

5. I have no clue what the dollar has to do with any of this.

6. “No way to prevent this says the only nation where this happens REGULARLY”. The fact you used the word “regularly” implies you agree with us that “there’s no way to prevent this”
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Honestly at this point, wouldn't be against it.
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Were these two whackos on drugs that would show up in a toxicology screen? Do we include screening for antipsychotics, sedatives, etc? Psych patients are also notorious for not taking their medications lol
InVOLuntary said:
It's because their ultimate goal is total disarmament. They want the ARs, then they'll want anything that holds more than 10 rounds. Then they'll want all semi autos, then they'll want all hand guns. If we're lucky we'll get to keep muzzle loaders and single shot shotguns.
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that has always been the problem, middle ground is never satisfying for anyone, on anything 😂 once you get going in one direction, it’s hard to stop
 
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lawgator1 said:
Would appear so.

And I just read that he live-streamed part of it, so it was planned.... including the gun part, obviously. Not that this bothers anyone.
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know enough about the facts yet of this case, they are not yet published, to fully answer that. I did see that he used an AR 15 or AR 15 style of weapon. Now, I have learned a lot here on the board thanks to the gun enthusiasts and such a weapon is not unless altered an automatic weapon. It is not, in the truest sense of the phrase, an "assault rifle." It is also just one manufacturer, though the style is frequently mimicked.

But an AR 15 or gun after its style has also been used in many other mass shootings, i.e. Uvalde. I am convinced that because it has appeared so many times in movies and pop culture that there is an attraction to it, a "coolness" factor, which is appealing to those who want to kill many, quickly.

We should look into that and how we can make such weapons either more cumbersome and not effective, or really, really, REALLY, require a deep dive on someone wanting to purchase one.
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So just to be clear you started the thread by pretending no one else cared because they don’t share your views on gun regulation and now when asked how to stop this, you’re admitting that you don’t have a damn clue?

That’s pretty pathetic to throw out that kind of virtue signal “look at me, the great one who cares” and then admit “o yeah, no I couldn’t have stopped this either”
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It's because their ultimate goal is total disarmament. They want the ARs, then they'll want anything that holds more than 10 rounds. Then they'll want all semi autos, then they'll want all hand guns. If we're lucky we'll get to keep muzzle loaders and single shot shotguns.
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That’s the only way their “you don’t care about the children argument makes sense” is if they’re going to go for total disarmament to include knife regulation. Otherwise they’re admitting they only care about children killed with ARs
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not all mass shooters would be so easily detected, surely you must agree.

Its early but all I have heard regarding this most recent shooter was that he learned he was going to be fired. How many people get fired every day, week, month, or year in this country? Now we have to screen them all post haste?

Far more efficient to restrict guns in the first instance.
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See more contradictory bs.

There are more guns than people. I am not sure how it is more efficient to track more of something that we have no record of. not to mention people leave a much larger "footprint" to be tracked. My gun isn't going out carrying around a cell phone, getting gas, and being picked up on every security camera out there. It would be relatively hard for me to hide from the government, it would be relatively easy for a gun to be hidden from the government.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The fact that not all cops are heroes is too often forgotten on the right
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yup. the fact that they don't work for us, and have absolutely no obligation to protect us, held up in federal court, often gets missed. Heck it might have even been LG getting that ruling, as he has represented cops, and that case was down in Florida. but yeah we should totally trust the guys who all the power and none of the same restrictions we do.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know enough about the facts yet of this case, they are not yet published, to fully answer that. I did see that he used an AR 15 or AR 15 style of weapon. Now, I have learned a lot here on the board thanks to the gun enthusiasts and such a weapon is not unless altered an automatic weapon. It is not, in the truest sense of the phrase, an "assault rifle." It is also just one manufacturer, though the style is frequently mimicked.

But an AR 15 or gun after its style has also been used in many other mass shootings, i.e. Uvalde. I am convinced that because it has appeared so many times in movies and pop culture that there is an attraction to it, a "coolness" factor, which is appealing to those who want to kill many, quickly.

We should look into that and how we can make such weapons either more cumbersome and not effective, or really, really, REALLY, require a deep dive on someone wanting to purchase one.
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you mean make them more dangerous for the end user, and those around them? this is like saying we should remove the rear and side view mirrors from cars to make them more cumbersome for a killer to use. completely ignoring that this really just hurts the general public who have done nothing wrong, and made the whole situation unsafer.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know enough about the facts yet of this case, they are not yet published, to fully answer that. I did see that he used an AR 15 or AR 15 style of weapon. Now, I have learned a lot here on the board thanks to the gun enthusiasts and such a weapon is not unless altered an automatic weapon. It is not, in the truest sense of the phrase, an "assault rifle." It is also just one manufacturer, though the style is frequently mimicked.

But an AR 15 or gun after its style has also been used in many other mass shootings, i.e. Uvalde. I am convinced that because it has appeared so many times in movies and pop culture that there is an attraction to it, a "coolness" factor, which is appealing to those who want to kill many, quickly.

We should look into that and how we can make such weapons either more cumbersome and not effective, or really, really, REALLY, require a deep dive on someone wanting to purchase one.
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Do you know why there are so many white cars involved in accidents?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Do you know why there are so many white cars involved in accidents?
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White
We’ve referenced the safest color car on the road. That color is white. White cars are 12 percent less likely to be involved in an accident than black cars at any time of the day under any conditions. This is because there is often a lot of contrast between white cars and its surroundings. As a result, white cars are easy to see.

Red Cars
Since visibility seems to be the driving factor when discussing car color and accident risk, you may think that red is a safe choice. While red does tend to be associated with less of a risk of accidents than black, grey, and silver cars, red cars have more accidents than many other colors.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We should do both.

We should make obtaining a gun moderately difficult so that only those trained and stable have them; and we should make access to mental health help a lot easier.
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So let's seriously discuss this.

1 Who is going to decide the criteria for gun ownership?
2 What would that criteria be?
3 What happens when that criteria is ignored?

And the devil is in the details. For example, I may believe anyone who thinks or proclaims to be the opppsite gender they were born, is mentally incompetent to own a gun. So if we are going to start restricting gun ownership, would you agree with a proposal to limit gender fruitcakes to start with?

See how quickly that goes off the rails? Doubt there would be much support for such a proposal from either side.
 
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They don’t “care about the children”.
They only care about the next tragedy the can use to their political benefit.

Schools - remember?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So just to be clear you started the thread by pretending no one else cared because they don’t share your views on gun regulation and now when asked how to stop this, you’re admitting that you don’t have a damn clue?

That’s pretty pathetic to throw out that kind of virtue signal “look at me, the great one who cares” and then admit “o yeah, no I couldn’t have stopped this either”
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Not quite. A favor far more restrictions on firearms for a lot of situations including, buy by no means limited to, mass shootings.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not quite. A favor far more restrictions on firearms for a lot of situations including, buy by no means limited to, mass shootings.
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Yet you admit your “solutions” wouldn’t have stopped this?

So why virtue signal that we don’t care?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
So let's seriously discuss this.

1 Who is going to decide the criteria for gun ownership?
2 What would that criteria be?
3 What happens when that criteria is ignored?

And the devil is in the details. For example, I may believe anyone who thinks or proclaims to be the opppsite gender they were born, is mentally incompetent to own a gun. So if we are going to start restricting gun ownership, would you agree with a proposal to limit gender fruitcakes to start with?

See how quickly that goes off the rails? Doubt there would be much support for such a proposal from either side.
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See how quickly you think nothing can be gained from some very basic common sense laws? How about looking into how these laws have been crafted in states that have enacted them? Seems to me that that would be an excellent place to start. Sure beats throwing up your hands and saying that it's just all too hard.
 
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Noni said:
See how quickly you think nothing can be gained from some very basic common sense laws? How about looking into how these laws have been crafted in states that have enacted them? Seems to me that that would be an excellent place to start. Sure beats throwing up your hands and saying that it's just all too hard.
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The states with the strongest gun laws have no difference in homicide rates than those with the loosest gun laws. There’s no actual correlation between gun laws and homicide rates on a state level.

But since you want to virtue signal, tell us. What law would’ve prevented this?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not all mass shooters would be so easily detected, surely you must agree.

Its early but all I have heard regarding this most recent shooter was that he learned he was going to be fired. How many people get fired every day, week, month, or year in this country? Now we have to screen them all post haste?

Far more efficient to restrict guns in the first instance.
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Get over it. When you constantly reward failure, mediocrity, and celebrate mental illness then you’re the problem.
 
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