War in Ukraine

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I thought it was supposed to be Russia resorting to nukes or dirty bombs. But it is the UK. And where is the Green/environmentalist outrage with regards to depleted uranium in the soil?
 
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KB5252 said:
It applies to both. In this instance it applies to Russia.

Russia started a fight, a fight they didn't count on Ukraine being able to sustain. Russia's terms are we keep what we've taken. Ukraine says the fight ends when you go home. You don't get to invade a neighbor then claim they are the one escalating the conflict. That's utter nonsense.

Civilians get targeted in war. Let's not pretend Russia isn't purposefully targeting civilians, it's a must to claim the slightest shred of intellectual honesty.

Honestly dude, this is why people call you a clown......I don't however. You telling anyone they have things backward is ironic, humorous and sad, all at the same time.
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Russia doesnt target civilians. That is ridiculous. I agree, you dont invade a Country then blame them for escalation, but that isnt what is happening. This is why I say many of you live in the upside down. Your view of this conflict is warped and likely warped due to you viewing it through the filter of western propaganda.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Maybe @volgr is talking about parents talking their kids into or out of enlisting. When I son talked to me about it 4 years ago I supported it. Today, I would try to convince him not to. Questionable leadership worries me. Plus I'm not convinced the citizens of this country today are worth him sacrificing his life as his dad. This percentage grows each year.
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Bingo.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
Oh that could get interesting. Who is the aggressor or is it just a long hatred? Who does Russia back or is there a treaty?
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Just long hatred its centered around the Armenian backed region of Artsakh/Nagorno-Karabakh. They fought a war in the 1990s that Armenia won and left Baku bitter. Now thanks to natural gas/oil money and massive military spending they overhauled their military and now the military balance favors Azerbaijan now. The last war in 2020 resulted in big gains Azerbaijan. Now they're wanting more and are quite willing to use military force to achieve those results. Armenia is a member of the CSTO organization which is modern answer to the old Warsaw Pact and has a mutual defense pact similar to NATO. Armenia invoked the CSTO's mutual defense pact in renewed fighting back in 2022 but Russia and the rest of the CSTO refused to enter the fighting. There is a Russian peacekeeping force in the area but nothing significant. After Russia's refusal to support Armenia the Armenian government is reconsidering its place in the CSTO.
 
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Burhead said:
Just long hatred its centered around the Armenian backed region of Artsakh/Nagorno-Karabakh. They fought a war in the 1990s that Armenia won and left Baku bitter. Now thanks to natural gas/oil money and massive military spending they overhauled their military and now the military balance favors Azerbaijan now. The last war in 2020 resulted in big gains Azerbaijan. Now they're wanting more and are quite willing to use military force to achieve those results. Armenia is a member of the CSTO organization which is modern answer to the old Warsaw Pact and has a mutual defense pact similar to NATO. Armenia invoked the CSTO's mutual defense pact in renewed fighting back in 2022 but Russia and the rest of the CSTO refused to enter the fighting. There is a Russian peacekeeping force in the area but nothing significant. After Russia's refusal to support Armenia the Armenian government is reconsidering its place in the CSTO.
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Thank you for detailed explanation. Very interesting. Thank you
 
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volgr said:
Russia doesnt target civilians. That is ridiculous. I agree, you dont invade a Country then blame them for escalation, but that isnt what is happening. This is why I say many of you live in the upside down. Your view of this conflict is warped and likely warped due to you viewing it through the filter of western propaganda.
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So Russia expected this bus stop to be housing soldiers?

Three killed after Kherson bus stop hit by Russian missile strikes
 
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tvolsfan said:
Only because we have stood up to them.

Putin’s territorial ambitions clearly exceed Donbas and Crimea.
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I disagree - the first month of this war pretty clearly demonstrated the limitations of Russia's expansion wet dream. Taking Ukraine and holding it are two different things. Add to that invading other countries and expecting to take and hold them was just never going to happen no matter how much Putin wished for it.

It's eerily similar to the fear of the Republican Guard and Iraq's military strength which turned out to be greatly over estimated. Likewise it's eerily similar to the difference between us toppling Hussein and controlling the country.

Useful rhetoric to fuel support for the war effort but not really an objective assessment of possibilities.

Oh well, we're in the middle of it now and will be for years I'd guess.
 
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As I have said, the vast majority of Ukrainian families are going to one day regret their fathers/sons were killed so their kids/grandkids could be exposed to the Western LGBTQ agenda.

 
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volgr said:
Russia doesnt target civilians. That is ridiculous. I agree, you dont invade a Country then blame them for escalation, but that isnt what is happening. This is why I say many of you live in the upside down. Your view of this conflict is warped and likely warped due to you viewing it through the filter of western propaganda.
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Are you really going to say with a straight face that Russia doesn't target civilians? From Berlin, to Grozny, to Aleppo, to Bakhmut the Russian way of war is to level cities and terrorize the civilian populations into submission.
 
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volgr said:
What are the chances some of these depleted uranium munitions end up on the black market?
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LMAO I’d guess if you can buy a tank capable of firing them on the black market you’ll be able to buy depleted uranium long penetrator sabot rounds for it too. Put the strand of faux pearls down Larry 🤡🤡🤡
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I thought it was supposed to Russia resorting to nukes or dirty bombs. But it is the UK. And where is the Green/environmentalist outrage with regards to depleated uranium in the soil?
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Holy cow you clearly have no damn clue what they’re talking about Moe. It’s ammo for the Challengers thus it’s likely long penetrator depleted uranium Sabot rounds. LMAO 😂🤡
 
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Burhead said:
Are you really going to say with a straight face that Russia doesn't target civilians? From Berlin, to Grozny, to Aleppo, to Bakhmut the Russian way of war is to level cities and terrorize the civilian populations into submission.
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Well, I'm not really applying that statement to cover Russia's entire history, more specifically referencing the current Ukraine conflict. No, Russia hasn't targeted civilians.
 
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volinbham said:
I disagree - the first month of this war pretty clearly demonstrated the limitations of Russia's expansion wet dream. Taking Ukraine and holding it are two different things. Add to that invading other countries and expecting to take and hold them was just never going to happen no matter how much Putin wished for it.

It's eerily similar to the fear of the Republican Guard and Iraq's military strength which turned out to be greatly over estimated. Likewise it's eerily similar to the difference between us toppling Hussein and controlling the country.

Useful rhetoric to fuel support for the war effort but not really an objective assessment of possibilities.

Oh well, we're in the middle of it now and will be for years I'd guess.
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I definitely think Putin was expecting the west to simply shake our fists and watch him devour Ukraine.
 
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