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volKano said:
As much fun as it was to beat Bama, there is no shame in losing to them because almost everyone does. Lose to SC, UK or Mizzou and there is a huge level of embarrassment.
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I agree and I think that's what is making people upset at the thought of 8-4 now. We expected those wins preseason, but not the other huge wins we have.
 
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Aesius said:
No Tennessee fan on the planet would call 8-4 a success if we lose 4 out of 5 to end the season. There's your answer. Recency bias matters and expectations change.
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You're telling me, if a genie came to you in June and offered you Tennessee going 8-4 with wins over Pitt, LSU, Florida, and Bama, you wouldn't take it with a smile?
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
So if we were to go 8-4, you'd rather have wins over Mizzou & SC than UF & Bama?. Preseason, 8-4 would be considered a success.
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I think what's being said here is not what the final record is, but its how we got there. 2016 would probably feel different if the schedule had been flipped. Had we lost to Vandy and USC in September then rattled off wins over Florida and Georgia in November... we might feel a little better.

And it's not that wins over Bama and UF don't feel better than wins over Mizzou and USC - it's that losses to Missou and USC (teams we were expected to beat) would be harder to stomach than losses to UF and Bama (teams we were not expected to beat).
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I am simply saying that 8-4 would still be a success, just like it wouldve been in preseason. So you would rather have wins over SC & Mizzou instead of the wins we have, to preserve "momentum."

We're not losing 4 of the next 5, but the season will still be an overall success if we did, based on preseason expectations. . . unless, in the preseason you expected 10+ wins.

The issue would be the potential losses to SC & Mizzou. We expected to beat them in the preseason as well, so losing to them would be disappointing. It wouldn't change the fact we got to the # of wins that was thought to be the marker for success.
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I don’t have a set number of wins that making a season a success but if you told me that we would be 7-0 with wins on the road against Pitt and LSUand at home against Bama and Florida…. I would feel that 10-2 would be a successful season… unles a lot of injuries happen…. No one in here is going to feel like we had a successful season if we end by losing to Kentucky, SC, and Missouri… it makes me want to vomit thinking about it…. It’s not going to happen though.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
You're telling me, if a genie came to you in June and offered you Tennessee going 8-4 with wins over Pitt, LSU, Florida, and Bama, you wouldn't take it with a smile?
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Initally, yeah that would be an awesome idea...

Until you pause and realize that means there was a total collapse in the second half of the season that resulted in losses to scrubs.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
You're telling me, if a genie came to you in June and offered you Tennessee going 8-4 with wins over Pitt, LSU, Florida, and Bama, you wouldn't take it with a smile?
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Sure, but this isn't June. We didn't know what the team was going to look like or what it could accomplish. Now we know, and 8-4 would be disappointing. Why is that so hard to understand?

FWIW, I was an 8-4 guy preseason. I would now be disappointed at 8-4. Those facts can exist simultaneously without the mental gymnastics you seem to think are required.
 
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SoilVol said:
Initally, yeah that would be an awesome idea...

Until you pause and realize that means there was a total collapse in the second half of the season that resulted in losses to scrubs.
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Agreed. And Enki's version of 8-4 doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's not like you just fast forward to the end of the season and go "okay, 8-4 with wins over Pitt, UF, LSU, and Bama? Wow, sweet!" No, it involves a very painful and embarrassing trainwreck of an end of a season.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Arguing it because of how people move the goal posts. Anyone wouldve said "I dont care how we get there, 8-4 would be a success." Now, after we've achieved more than expected, it's no longer a success. Bologna. It would suck to lose any games, but calling it a failure would discount the wins over Pitt, Florida, Alabama, LSU.

No Tennessee fan on the planet would've called 8-4, with wins over Pitt, UF, LSU, and Bama a failure preseason. In fact, I'd bet any fan would've begged for those results.
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I don't think that's a totally accurate depiction of the situation just imo.

Yeah, I would (and did) call 8-4 a success. But I also had the expectation that we'd beat USC, Mizzou, and Vandy. That was part of the equation. Beat who we are supposed to beat, steal toss ups, and maybe get an upset.

I absolutely would be disappointed with losses to teams we are better than. Any team that beats Bama has absolutely zero excuse to lose to Vanderbilt. Something is seriously wrong if that happens, and it's absolutely a disappointing finish - even if the final record is 8-4 there.

I was expecting at least 8 wins this season - but I also expected at least 2 losses. And I considered Pitt, LSU, and UF games that could go either way. The rest I 100% expect to win and it would be a disappointment to not win those.
 
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LadyVolette said:
I posted earlier lol
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She's no Betty White, but she is an attractive woman.

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Rewatching Bama… because why not…

Slaughter is a dude. Screw trust with Tank, B Young paused at least twice from running for a first down in the second half after Slaughter nailed him early in the half. Safety that brings fear makes players question challenging him.

Many long conversions in the second half were on the linebackers and not the secondary. Counted one on Banks and two on Beasley not getting the receiver.

Rucker played a lot in the second but I thought Turnage looked better when he played. Something doesn’t add up as to why he isn’t playing more. Although we don’t have much choice right now. But he had some great run stops and played press man a couple times.

Keyton has played well but a couple passes missed by him are catches by Tillman. Kentucky about to get crushed.
 
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