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[LadyVolette]

Kind of like Mizzou used to be able to whoop people with all three stars.. I think we put too much into that star stuff.. stars don’t take into account how tough or determined you are

 

[VolGee4]

Did you see our O line get abused all game? He had no time and still got yards. His throw to Bru was one of the best throws you could make. Receivers also had plenty of drops. He started rusty but after the first quarter he was dialed in. It was also on the road against a top defense.

Yep, he had very little time in quite a few plays. I just don’t understand why we always do this. I know we should strive for perfection. But we have been wandering in the wilderness for a few years (some say, 15); we have an exciting offense; a team that is now in every game; a QB who has improved, and yet we get lost in criticism.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

Still Crazy after all these years and all the coaching changes, how diversified the viewpoints remain on here, and I love it... Many just love the win or hate the loss, while others dig deeper and break down the game and look ahead at how we match up against future opponents on the schedule... Many just pop on and off every now and then, while others seems to live on here. Many are super competitive in nature as seen by their posts, while others are just along for the ride... Some are on here just for the off topic conversations... all good.

I'm the seemingly no fun, bad fan/grad who is super competitive and always looking ahead, who wants desperately for UT to actually take that next step and be a top 10 team... I can't enjoy the win sometimes because I'm too busy breaking down what went wrong, but also I will say what went right. I'm realistic and don't look through orange glasses...

While I am actually happy with our win last night and how we never gave up and fought to the end, I am very disappointed in the undisciplined and sloppy way we played. I see it being our downfall in the coming weeks if we don't get some things fixed quickly and it will be the difference in a 6-6 season and a 8-4 season.

Everyone should expect beginning season jitters and rust, especially from the younger players and first year starters, but I didn't expect it from our two seasoned players in Hooker and Tillman. Between the two of them, they easily cost us 14-21 points that would have broken Pitt and sealed a very convincing win. Hooker over through, under through at least 2-3 WR's who were easily heading to the end zone if the pass was on target. Tillman certainly came through in the end when it counted the most, but he dropped what, at least 3-4 easy grabs that would have changed the momentum of drives and at least 1 TD... Hooker is a mobile QB, yet was sacked 4-5 times (I'll say 2 were on the O line and not Hooker) and acted confused on each... I got flamed yesterday, but there's no reason not to give Milton a look next week against Akron... He's there, no reason to see what he's got.

Our running game was barely a running game. We anticipated gashing them all day based on the WVU game, but only managed to get small runs in under 10yds that got us first downs and then a fumble that killed our drive and momentum.

Flowers fumble was absolutely inexcusable... sorry. He's a senior and all he had to do was literally take two steps back and catch it in the breadbasket. Wow it showed how much we miss Velus... that dude would have probably housed it at least once yesterday.

Defense--- Unless major changes are made in coverage and game planning/ingame adjustments, I just don't see how Banks is DC next season. The soft zone is going to get us absolutely killed against better throwing teams, which is basically all of the SEC.

I am not confident with how sloppy and shaky our offense was last night, that we will be able to outscore opponents like last season to overcome how horrible our secondary is.

This team found a way to win last night, and I am very proud of them-- we all remember a lot of past UT teams under other failed coaches who would have simply rolled over and given up. Heup has our kids all with the same great mindset.

The high expectations, even after BallSt, need to be cooled and reality needs to set in. Watching the other SEC games yesterday, unless we make some huge adjustments, clean up a lot of errors and sloppy play, make big adjustments on defense, I don't believe we have the talent/firepower this year to do any better than 7 wins at this point, based only on the first two games. I do believe it will all come down to our defense unfortunately. Just like last season, we don't have the depth and talent to get off the field against better teams and we will be gassed by the end of the 3rd quarter.

lots of talent/recruits coming in, so we are definitely headed in the right direction on that side of the ball, but it is going to take more time than many expected.

That’s a pretty dire take honestly. Are you that critical of Bama against Texas too?

We won a game in which we played terrible football in the 2nd half. The team competed their asses off despite that and won the game. The defense abandoned the soft zone in the 2nd half and started playing more pressure M2M and played very well.

Tillman dropped 2 big ones but that TD pass he dropped his left arm was slapped away so he was forced to try and make a one handed catch.

We forced more pressure in one game than all of last year. Pitt is the reigning ACC champs and a good team. It’s nowhere near as bad of a picture as you are painting. We aren’t 6-6 unless there are some really bad injuries. That’s just insane.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Alabama DID lose. The officials rigged the outcome by taking Texas's safety off the board. I wish some people with votes would drop AL out of the Top 25 and vote Texas into AL's spot. Also, I think AL QB should be ineligible for Heisman, based on the rigged play in the endzone.

The refs (Big 12 by the way) got it right. If they call targeting (bama QB kicked in the head) or roughing the passer and it sticks, then no safety. Review the play and his arm was going forward, therefore an incomplete pass. No part of his body had touched the endzone at that point. Therefore the turnover for calls of targeting and roughing the passer were correct. No safety and 4th down was also correct.

I feel dirty from watching that game. I was so conflicted. I can’t stand the texas longhorns and their obnoxious fans. Most of the bama fans here actually went to bama. Different than the bandwagon toothless fans that y’all have to deal with. The longhorn fans are obnoxious fake liberal asses. I take great pleasure in their losses.

Please understand that this in no way reflects a desire for bama to win. I am not depraved. The population here is saturated with longhorns and not so many bammers.

Interesting tidbit for the VFLs. Texas high school students use bama, auburn, arkansas, ole miss, oklahoma as safe backup plans if they can’t get into the colleges that they want to get into.

At my daughter’s high school, students that want to go to Tennessee, it’s a top choice for them… Never a backup plan.

 

[jakez4ut]

I swear, people expect perfection and do not understand how good Hooker has been for us. He was 64% for 325 yards. If Tillman catches that long pass and Flowers doesn’t muff the punt, we likely win by double digits and Hooker has a near 70% completion rating and 385 yards passing. We have one of the top QBs in the SEC and entire country.

Yup. I think he was 'off' with some accuracy, despite the stats. But I'm not worried about him at all.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

Beasley Led the team in tackles.

This screams quality coaching and development. I truly hope that defensive recruits are paying attention!

Brian Jean-Mary is a sneaky good linebackers coach. He's gonna make Jalen Smith and Tealander studs.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Same old preseason overhyped Vols. 6 or 7 wins playing like this.

They were unranked preseason

 

[Ten_Titans]

They have the retractable goal post to prevent people from tearing them down

Apprently for good reason. They tried to rip those suckers down over Houston.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

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@Enki_Amenra

Congrats

 

[VolGee4]

Still Crazy after all these years and all the coaching changes, how diversified the viewpoints remain on here, and I love it... Many just love the win or hate the loss, while others dig deeper and break down the game and look ahead at how we match up against future opponents on the schedule... Many just pop on and off every now and then, while others seems to live on here. Many are super competitive in nature as seen by their posts, while others are just along for the ride... Some are on here just for the off topic conversations... all good.

I'm the seemingly no fun, bad fan/grad who is super competitive and always looking ahead, who wants desperately for UT to actually take that next step and be a top 10 team... I can't enjoy the win sometimes because I'm too busy breaking down what went wrong, but also I will say what went right. I'm realistic and don't look through orange glasses...

While I am actually happy with our win last night and how we never gave up and fought to the end, I am very disappointed in the undisciplined and sloppy way we played. I see it being our downfall in the coming weeks if we don't get some things fixed quickly and it will be the difference in a 6-6 season and a 8-4 season.

Everyone should expect beginning season jitters and rust, especially from the younger players and first year starters, but I didn't expect it from our two seasoned players in Hooker and Tillman. Between the two of them, they easily cost us 14-21 points that would have broken Pitt and sealed a very convincing win. Hooker over through, under through at least 2-3 WR's who were easily heading to the end zone if the pass was on target. Tillman certainly came through in the end when it counted the most, but he dropped what, at least 3-4 easy grabs that would have changed the momentum of drives and at least 1 TD... Hooker is a mobile QB, yet was sacked 4-5 times (I'll say 2 were on the O line and not Hooker) and acted confused on each... I got flamed yesterday, but there's no reason not to give Milton a look next week against Akron... He's there, no reason to see what he's got.

Our running game was barely a running game. We anticipated gashing them all day based on the WVU game, but only managed to get small runs in under 10yds that got us first downs and then a fumble that killed our drive and momentum.

Flowers fumble was absolutely inexcusable... sorry. He's a senior and all he had to do was literally take two steps back and catch it in the breadbasket. Wow it showed how much we miss Velus... that dude would have probably housed it at least once yesterday.

Defense--- Unless major changes are made in coverage and game planning/ingame adjustments, I just don't see how Banks is DC next season. The soft zone is going to get us absolutely killed against better throwing teams, which is basically all of the SEC.

I am not confident with how sloppy and shaky our offense was last night, that we will be able to outscore opponents like last season to overcome how horrible our secondary is.

This team found a way to win last night, and I am very proud of them-- we all remember a lot of past UT teams under other failed coaches who would have simply rolled over and given up. Heup has our kids all with the same great mindset.

The high expectations, even after BallSt, need to be cooled and reality needs to set in. Watching the other SEC games yesterday, unless we make some huge adjustments, clean up a lot of errors and sloppy play, make big adjustments on defense, I don't believe we have the talent/firepower this year to do any better than 7 wins at this point, based only on the first two games. I do believe it will all come down to our defense unfortunately. Just like last season, we don't have the depth and talent to get off the field against better teams and we will be gassed by the end of the 3rd quarter.

lots of talent/recruits coming in, so we are definitely headed in the right direction on that side of the ball, but it is going to take more time than many expected.

Stop and smell the roses…the last 15 years should have taught us that. I came to the game, enjoyed the city, and spent a long weekend with my dad and brother. Leaving with a win makes it so much sweeter. Enjoy life!

 

[Orangeburst]

The refs (Big 12 by the way) got it right. If they call targeting (bama QB kicked in the head) or roughing the passer and it sticks, then no safety. Review the play and his arm was going forward, therefore an incomplete pass. No part of his body had touched the endzone at that point. Therefore the turnover for calls of targeting and roughing the passer were correct. No safety and 4th down was also correct.

I feel dirty from watching that game. I was so conflicted. I can’t stand the texas longhorns and their obnoxious fans. Most of the bama fans here actually went to bama. Different than the bandwagon toothless fans that y’all have to deal with. The longhorn fans are obnoxious fake liberal asses. I take great pleasure in their losses.

Please understand that this in no way reflects a desire for bama to win. I am not depraved. The population here is saturated with longhorns and not so many bammers.

Interesting tidbit for the VFLs. Texas high school students use bama, auburn, arkansas, ole miss, oklahoma as safe backup plans if they can’t get into the colleges that they want to get into.

At my daughter’s high school, students that want to go to Tennessee, it’s a top choice for them… Never a backup plan.

I believe they commented on the pass being legit and not intentional grounding, but I would need to see it again. If IG, then it would be a safety.
In reality that is as IG as one can get away with still being a legal pass.
But then again maybe the targeting would then come into play..round and round we go..lol

 

[Ten_Titans]

Congrats

Hey thanks! Not gonna bet on the games today. Feel a little dirty cheering for Kentucky to win as hard as I've ever cheered for any team to win a game.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

I understand the concern but receivers were getting open all game. Pitt focused on shutting down the run game and they have the 3rd best DLine we’ll face.

Agreed. All comes down to the trenches. As with any offense Heupel's feeds off the running game. Do that well and the rest opens up nicely.

 

[butchna]

Brian Jean-Mary is a sneaky good linebackers coach. He's gonna make Jalen Smith and Tealander studs.

With Perry and Herring before them.

 

[itsme]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Nebraska went after Meyer. But if not him then another name is Coach Chadwell at Coastal Carolina. Young guy and very intriguing coach. Highly thought of across the profession and tremendous schemer

Meyer isn’t going to Nebraska. It’s a terrible location for recruiting and for co-eds.
Chadwell will have much better options in a couple of years. North Carolina should make a push for him to replace Mack Brown when he hangs it up.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Watched highlights of game. Been out dodging Copperheads.

Pitt D was about what I expected, veteran group. Honestly think theyre better than Florida, certainly better coached.

Their offense was better coached than ours, tonite.

They attacked our weaknesses, what can I say. Bull rush up middle, attack over LT. What would you do?

Tillman was held, pushed, prodded. Such a beast. So is Bru. Gotta find some ofher weapons.

Coverage sacks, just so good to see prezsure.

Please quit telling us that you are not watching the whole game. If anything, that should be a deep dark secret.

The rest of us watched the horror show of the last 4 coaches. I wouldn’t start watching until my kids were asleep. But I watched.

So man up or shut up. Said with respect and encouragement.

 

[thunderduck17]

Still Crazy after all these years and all the coaching changes, how diversified the viewpoints remain on here, and I love it... Many just love the win or hate the loss, while others dig deeper and break down the game and look ahead at how we match up against future opponents on the schedule... Many just pop on and off every now and then, while others seems to live on here. Many are super competitive in nature as seen by their posts, while others are just along for the ride... Some are on here just for the off topic conversations... all good.

I'm the seemingly no fun, bad fan/grad who is super competitive and always looking ahead, who wants desperately for UT to actually take that next step and be a top 10 team... I can't enjoy the win sometimes because I'm too busy breaking down what went wrong, but also I will say what went right. I'm realistic and don't look through orange glasses...

While I am actually happy with our win last night and how we never gave up and fought to the end, I am very disappointed in the undisciplined and sloppy way we played. I see it being our downfall in the coming weeks if we don't get some things fixed quickly and it will be the difference in a 6-6 season and a 8-4 season.

Everyone should expect beginning season jitters and rust, especially from the younger players and first year starters, but I didn't expect it from our two seasoned players in Hooker and Tillman. Between the two of them, they easily cost us 14-21 points that would have broken Pitt and sealed a very convincing win. Hooker over through, under through at least 2-3 WR's who were easily heading to the end zone if the pass was on target. Tillman certainly came through in the end when it counted the most, but he dropped what, at least 3-4 easy grabs that would have changed the momentum of drives and at least 1 TD... Hooker is a mobile QB, yet was sacked 4-5 times (I'll say 2 were on the O line and not Hooker) and acted confused on each... I got flamed yesterday, but there's no reason not to give Milton a look next week against Akron... He's there, no reason to see what he's got.

Our running game was barely a running game. We anticipated gashing them all day based on the WVU game, but only managed to get small runs in under 10yds that got us first downs and then a fumble that killed our drive and momentum.

Flowers fumble was absolutely inexcusable... sorry. He's a senior and all he had to do was literally take two steps back and catch it in the breadbasket. Wow it showed how much we miss Velus... that dude would have probably housed it at least once yesterday.

Defense--- Unless major changes are made in coverage and game planning/ingame adjustments, I just don't see how Banks is DC next season. The soft zone is going to get us absolutely killed against better throwing teams, which is basically all of the SEC.

I am not confident with how sloppy and shaky our offense was last night, that we will be able to outscore opponents like last season to overcome how horrible our secondary is.

This team found a way to win last night, and I am very proud of them-- we all remember a lot of past UT teams under other failed coaches who would have simply rolled over and given up. Heup has our kids all with the same great mindset.

The high expectations, even after BallSt, need to be cooled and reality needs to set in. Watching the other SEC games yesterday, unless we make some huge adjustments, clean up a lot of errors and sloppy play, make big adjustments on defense, I don't believe we have the talent/firepower this year to do any better than 7 wins at this point, based only on the first two games. I do believe it will all come down to our defense unfortunately. Just like last season, we don't have the depth and talent to get off the field against better teams and we will be gassed by the end of the 3rd quarter.

lots of talent/recruits coming in, so we are definitely headed in the right direction on that side of the ball, but it is going to take more time than many expected.

You just suggested to possibly bench our QB that I believe has thrown 35 TD’s to 3 INT’s in his Tennessee career…think about that for just a second.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't think enough has been said about Hyatt. He didn't have the long, sports center like catch but he consistently made catches to extend drives. He's not being used like I imagined considering his speed but he's catching about everything thrown his way. Stark contrast to last year when he couldn't catch the flu in Shanghai.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

And Mizzou got destroyed.

Remember that time Eli Drinkwitz did anything of note besides run his yapper?

nah… me neither

 

[jakez4ut]

Where do y’all think Pitt’s defense ranks among the ones we will face this year?

Probably in the same range as Florida or Kentucky

 

[Ten_Titans]

The refs (Big 12 by the way) got it right. If they call targeting (bama QB kicked in the head) or roughing the passer and it sticks, then no safety. Review the play and his arm was going forward, therefore an incomplete pass. No part of his body had touched the endzone at that point. Therefore the turnover for calls of targeting and roughing the passer were correct. No safety and 4th down was also correct.

I feel dirty from watching that game. I was so conflicted. I can’t stand the texas longhorns and their obnoxious fans. Most of the bama fans here actually went to bama. Different than the bandwagon toothless fans that y’all have to deal with. The longhorn fans are obnoxious fake liberal asses. I take great pleasure in their losses.

Please understand that this in no way reflects a desire for bama to win. I am not depraved. The population here is saturated with longhorns and not so many bammers.

Interesting tidbit for the VFLs. Texas high school students use bama, auburn, arkansas, ole miss, oklahoma as safe backup plans if they can’t get into the colleges that they want to get into.

At my daughter’s high school, students that want to go to Tennessee, it’s a top choice for them… Never a backup plan.

I'm not positive he was out of the pocket, but the ball has to get back to the line of scrimmage or land near an eligible receiver. It landed in the corner of the endzone. Clearly grounding and a safety.

 

[butchna]

They were unranked preseason

…he’s making troll butter tarts.

 

[jave36]

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@Enki_Amenra

I had almost this exact parlay except I picked UF at home.

 

[VolGee4]

I had placed Heuple's offense in the "Not worried, that's never going to be an issue" file. Yesterday made me second guess that a little. I'm worried that coaches are starting to get a handle on it. Time will tell. This offense seems to be at its best when moving fast. Yesterday it seemed all it took to derail a drive was for the defense to "develop" a cramp after a few up-tempo plays. I guess we'll see in the next few weeks whether it's an anomaly or whether it's a sign. Back in the day when I was in sales for a large medical software company, we used to say "We sell oranges when everyone else is selling apples. It won't be long until they're selling oranges too. By then we'll be selling passion fruit." Hopefully, if the defenses are catching up, CJH is working on the passion fruit.

I don’t think there is any “catching up.” The offense works, but I think it depends on personnel. Last year, UGA’s front 7 could be man up and stop the run, which allowed them to put more in the secondary to slow our pass game. As long as we have some semblance of a run game to get man coverage outside with big receivers, the offense can work. It’s all about spacing, numbers, and athleticism. Also, a more dynamic TE would be huge.

I hope we don’t get dragon fruit because it’s terrible.

 

[Orangeburst]

I don't think enough has been said about Hyatt. He didn't have the long, sports center like catch but he consistently made catches to extend drives. He's not being used like I imagined considering his speed but he's catching about everything thrown his way. Stark contrast to last year when he couldn't catch the flu in Shanghai.

We certainly didnt seem to rotate the WR's very much that I saw or were targeted.
I need to check the stats, but did not see Keyton with a catch.