President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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McDad said:
The ideas I like are not politically attractive.

Briefly:
Hefty fee for immigration. Immigration moves from restricted, provisional, and to full citizenship. Immigrant must have a sponsor(s) who is responsible financially and legally (limited) for immigrants successful integration into American society.
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Sounds like there would have to be some bureaucracy involved in this.

No thanks.
 
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allvol123 said:
Idk. But if someone is willing to house and employ someone and pay them a wage that both find agreeable, then I am good with it.

Beats random people fleeing across the border.
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It might e workable for unskilled labor. But we'd have to spend a lot to make sure the system and the immigrants are not abused.
 
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EasternVol said:
It might e workable for unskilled labor. But we'd have to spend a lot to make sure the system and the immigrants are not abused.
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Idk how the system would be abused.

Or the people either. Your local police force would cover their safety just like anyone else’s.
 
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EasternVol said:
Unqualified immigrants, employers not providing adequate facilities., etc.
Good one about the police :p.
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What are inadequate facilities? That arrangement would be set up in the contract.

Hard to imagine these inadequate facilities in regards to people used to 3rd world conditions.
 
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EasternVol said:
I guess that would depend on whether we get the kind of people we need illegally. And we probably want to get a more varied ethnic mix.
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Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, Africa, Latin America - bring me all those living under a real boot and just looking for a shot.
 
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allvol123 said:
What are inadequate facilities? That arrangement would be set up in the contract.

Hard to imagine these inadequate facilities in regards to people used to 3rd world conditions.
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We'd need to confirm each contract, then we'd need to monitor that each contract is abided by and there's no abuse. Say I promise you a place with heat, running water, proper sanitation, and three squares a day, and then provide a cabin with a well and an outhouse, and one or two bad meals a day? Profitable for the employer but no so great for the immigrant.
 
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EasternVol said:
We'd need to confirm each contract, then we'd need to monitor that each contract is abided by and there's no abuse. Say I promise you a place with heat, running water, proper sanitation, and three squares a day, and then provide a cabin with a well and an outhouse, and one or two bad meals a day? Profitable for the employer but no so great for the immigrant.
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Gonna be hard to hide that and keep the labor flowing. If the company likes the profit they can make by bringing in labor from another country. Labor that allows them to fulfill their labor needs consistently, why would they sabotage the arrangement over such items you listed? Items that would make an employee less productive?
 
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allvol123 said:
Gonna be hard to hide that and keep the labor flowing. If the company likes the profit they can make by bringing in labor from another country. Labor that allows them to fulfill their labor needs consistently, why would they sabotage the arrangement over such items you listed? Items that would make an employee less productive?
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Just real world issues. People cheat and steal. Such a program would have to be open to almost all employers. Some would try to cheat and some wouldn't. Kind of like how ranchers have treated migrant farmworkers.
 
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utvolpj said:
The whole ME nation building experiment cost how many lives? Cost how many trillions?

Complain about the process which was a mess but the simple fact is they got us out. I don't know who is guarding the poppy fields now but it ain't the us
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Wtf?! Dumb as hell. That moron needlessly got 13 service members killed with his incompetence on the withdrawal execution. I don’t care about your “but what about…” dumbassery soft selling those needless deaths
 
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McDad said:
I do not know. I am dubious of stats (from government and its agencies).

I liked the idea of a wall. I did some reading and could not find any effective walls in history which are not supported by guardians. And the distance between guards, barracks, and support staff meant a propely staffed southern border wall was impractical.
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They didn’t have drones when they built the Great Wall of China.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Wtf?! Dumb as hell. That moron needlessly got 13 service members killed with his incompetence on the withdrawal execution. I don’t care about your “but what about…” dumbassery soft selling those needless deaths
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How many could have been saved if we had done the job and left almost 20yrs ago? In think some of those killed were born after the wars started

Fact is the funding for the wars could have been cut off at any time yet never was. That's a failure of all govt officials
 
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