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Man, I would love to know where you got your information about this incident, but I suspect it is just random social media gossip and I hope you are taking it with a couple of tons of salt.

Yes, for my maiden post to VN, I’m digging this one up from the back pages (in my defense, I’ve been waiting for posting privileges after making an account). Then again, I knew as soon as this incident happened at my son’s game, it would show up here and be the reason I finally made a VolNation account.

Backstory: I’ve been lurking this site for years. I’m experienced enough that I stay away from the FF and exclusively browse the RF. I grew up in and around Knoxville and became an avid fan of the Vols in ’85--my dad and I made the Sugar Bowl VHS tape bleed over the years. I was a student during the Peyton years and was in the stadium with my brother for many memorable games-- Graham capping a comeback against Bama in ’96, Jamal Lewis breaking out against Georgia, and, of course, watching the kick sail wide and rushing the field against Florida.

I moved to OKC for grad school with the intention of splitting as soon as I could. But then I met a local girl, had a kid, and then a divorce. His mom wasn’t going anywhere, and I’m not leaving my son, so I’m seeing it through in this god forsaken place until he is 18. Fortunately my family is scattered around Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Nashville, so I never stay gone too long.

Anyway, as mentioned, that team in yellow in that video is my son’s team. My son is a 6’1” 13-year-old and loves basketball. His team has spent the past year winning multiple local and regional tournaments.

Their coach is a good man. I consider ourselves fortunate to have our son playing and learning from him. I’ve never seen him lose his temper in practice or in a game. We’ve played for other coaches who single a kid out for humiliation, or make the game about themselves. This guy is not that kind of coach--he is one who makes sure the entire team knows they are accountable for any single mistake. He never hesitates to follow stern instruction with praise. Again, I’ve never once seen him lose his temper or act the fool on the sideline.

This incident was completely out of character for this coach and this team and has shaken everyone to the core. The national social media narrative (that some here have taken to all too easily) is this is another instance of a ref getting pushed too far, but that is far from the truth. First, it’s important to know that our coach and both refs involved know each other outside the game. Second, our coach is also a ref, so he knows both sides. The ref who started this is well-known in the area as a hothead, and our team (and others) typically request he not be allowed to ref any tournaments we enter. Still, with all of that, there is no excuse for how it escalated like it did.

Prior to what you see on the video, the ref had called two consecutive Techs on our team—both calls were weak and seemingly targeted (incidentally, the second came after a call on my son for a block that was as clean as a Celsius bank account). Winning can put a target on your back--this is youth sports and there are petty agendas—you live with it. But this time we didn’t live with it. This is where our coach wishes he could have reacted differently, but when he complained about the second tech (not politely, granted), the ref tossed him out of the game. Again, I’ve never previously seen our coach react to refs, but he was in the moment and ran out on the court and got in his face (remember, these two know each other well on and off the court). The ref, standing within a foot of our coach, it him square in the face with a basketball.

I say this clearly: the ref’s actions were completely unprovoked for anyone not nursing a fragile ego.

Our coach reacted like 99% of you here would after a ball is deliberately thrown at your face—he swung, but fortunately missed. All hell broke loose. Some parents ran out and held our coach back. There was yelling and pushing and chaos, but the incident in the video never had to happen.

The guy who got punched was just out there trying to make sense. I guess he could have stayed in the bleachers, but when your kid is out in the middle of that, you don’t process, you react. He is the ‘nice guy’ on the team. He is the one always giving kids rides and making sure they have everything they need. No one, not even the ref who threw the punch, can say why he was targeted. He was out before he hit the ground. He has multiple skull fractures. My ex is an MD, and she attended him while he was unconscious on the floor gurgling blood.

The woman who got knocked over is going through chemo and was just trying to comprehend the situation. The kid who helped her up is her son.

The entire team is shaken—more so the parents and coaches. We had a pool party and long talk as a team the other night. We are laying low. Our coach asked us to stay off social media and not respond to any of this, but here I am writing this. I just want people to understand there is a human element behind these types of videos, and a lot more to the situations than what a short clip and a lot of loud mouths on Twitter/Reddit reveal. The ref who threw the punch feels terrible. Our coach feels terrible. A lot of people are talking out of their… .

Our kids will be stronger though.

Tl;dr: An a$$hole ref went overboard, a man lost his temper, things got out of control, another man got sucker punched, a lot of people came out with bs opinions and bad hot takes. OU sucks.
Sounds like a lot of bad characters at that game…. Hope everyone learned a lesson on how to behave…. Youth sports don’t need that type of behavior.
 
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I got 23 notices (prob book recs - yay!) to go through but y'all I'm a bit shook. Not in a good way. Last night, some woman came to our door about midnight claiming she needed help. She wanted to come in but that's been a setup here in the past and so it went porch light is on for you - wait here and we will call the police and they will help you.

The police got here and told us they'd dealt with her the night before. She keeps running off but I think they know who she is. They think it was def. a setup and that not letting her in was the correct call.

You live in Florida too? But seriously, you did the right thing and I hope you never see her again.
 
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For that price, you could just build a moat around your house. The moat is a sadly forgotten defensive strategy. Time we bring em back. Criminal...meet alligator.

Well I don't think I'd pay that price. I've seen them in 300-400 dollar range and my uncle has a dealer's license from when he owned a pawn shop.

Although I kinda like the moat alligator idea....
 
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Sounds like a lot of bad characters at that game…. Hope everyone learned a lesson on how to behave…. Youth sports don’t need that type of behavior.
That’s the thing: these are mostly great people. Something terrible happening doesn’t change that. Not one person involved is happy about any of it. My lesson to my son is: we make mistakes, we own them, we move on better for it. Is that not a lesson you’ve ever needed to impart?
 
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Yep, I bought my house in Orange Park last summer and kept getting outbid by northerners. After 6 or 7 times of that happening I got a call from my real estate agent saying that the first house I put an offer on was available because the financing for the people who were going to buy it fell through and it was mine if I wanted it.....not sure where they were from and hope they got something but glad it worked out that way because it was the house we liked best, is in a nice neighborhood with no HOA but everyone keeps up their property and it's right beside an elementary school and a high school. It's about 7 miles down Blanding from 295 so it's away from the busy area and no crime. Perfect home for my family and we are blessed.
My wife is from that area. In a neighborhood near the Texas roadhouse.
 
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You live in Florida too? But seriously, you did the right thing and I hope you never see her again.

What's scary is that that setup has led to at least one murder/home invasion in this county (they killed the family) and another where the homeowner killed them. Those happened a few years ago but it's still scary, especially since I'm not a big person even for a woman and OH is so ill.

I'm not super-reactionary but I realized that I didn't have any weapons at all. We had an arsenal before the fire - every manner of gun as well as swords and other weapons. But since then has been all hospital visits and health scares so none of that was ever re-purchased.
 
Just curious why a .40?
Just my opinion which doesn't mean much, but a Glock 19 is the most reliable handgun. I carried it for a few years. Sig and a Springfield XD would also be a better pick.

It's a compromise. OH thinks .45 1911 and I think that's too much for me but that a .9mm may not be enough.
 
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I got 23 notices (prob book recs - yay!) to go through but y'all I'm a bit shook. Not in a good way. Last night, some woman came to our door about midnight claiming she needed help. She wanted to come in but that's been a setup here in the past and so it went porch light is on for you - wait here and we will call the police and they will help you.

The police got here and told us they'd dealt with her the night before. She keeps running off but I think they know who she is. They think it was def. a setup and that not letting her in was the correct call.

Wow. Reminds me of my old poker game. Nice neighborhood in Knoxville. Luckily luckily luckily I changed my mind last minute and decided to go to Tin Roof with friends and skip that week's game.

Next thing I know I got a call from my best friend and the house was robbed mid-game. A girl (apparently tweaking out) came to the door knocking. It was a chill place with people always coming and going, so someone just thought another player arrived and opened the door. All of a sudden 2 guys rushed in and held about 10 people at gun point while the other took everything possible of value in the house.

Absolutely nuts. You definitely did the right thing. I'd grab a door camera at the bare minimum. Especially in this day and age of cell phones, that scheme is harder and harder to believe.
 
Just curious why a .40?
Just my opinion which doesn't mean much, but a Glock 19 is the most reliable handgun. I carried it for a few years. Sig and a Springfield XD would also be a better pick.
I tried a Glock, 226 and a Walters the other weekend. Shot better with the Glock but it wasn't by much so still open.
 
I prefer to read, but do not have the time like I used to. I have about an hour commute each way and that is when I do most of my listening. If I am walking out on the track or doing something really boring, like cleaning the kitchen, I will listen at those times too.

I love audiobooks for drives that are 1hr or longer. They can make going on vacation a ton easier. When I had an 1hr commute, I went through a lot of audiobooks.
 
A 40 is ok, but for home defense nothing beats a 12 guage pump with an 18 inch barrel. Even if you don't hit them (which would be hard to do) you will scare the crap out of them.
Plus, and 9mm/.40 has potential to penetrate walls etc for home defense.
I have them placed around the house, but my 12ga Remington pump is beside my bed.
 
My wife and I both have 9mm Glocks Mine is a 19. Hers is a 26. Ammunition is readily available and the weapon is easy to maintain. Whatever you do, the key is to PRACTICE and get comfortable.

My mom taught me how to shoot when I was a kid but with a non-revolver and non-rifle I would def. need practice. There are some slides that I simply can't pull. I hate that too. Back when we had a lot of guns, it took me forever to get some of them to slide. Most I mastered but not all of them so I do know I need to be picky about what I choose and practice with it as well. I don't want something I need to do a workout just to pull.
 
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