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UTSuave’ said:
I understood that much…but what’s the difference between LIV and the PGA why is the LIV tour frowned upon so hard?..is it better than the PGA?
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I believe it mostly has to do with the Saudi Arabian war crimes in their continued conflict with Yemen. They are doing some bad things and it has tainted the LIV and anyone that joins it.
 
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MKEvol said:
I have literally addressed both of these points. Directly to you in fact. Do you have any reading comprehension ability at all?

Re O'Bannon I said: O'Bannon held that the NCAA could not cap scholarships below the "true cost of attendance, PLUS $5k/year in a trust for those S-As. Scholarships do not equal NIL, NIL is not an educational benefit.

As for knowing the future, I have just laid out where the law currently stands, every singe time. I even said:




But you keep insinuating that YOU know how this all plays out....


Again, can you read?

In the article you sent, another attorney (Andrew Brandt) said:
In a 9–0 unanimous decision, the Supreme Court upheld the lower court’s decision that NCAA restrictions on “education-related benefits” for college athletes violated antitrust law. Justice Neil Gorsuch authored the majority opinion in favor of the plaintiffs, albeit a narrow decision dealing only with education-related benefits and not the larger issue of pay-for-play or other big-picture issues with college athletes.

So once again, the same point I have repeatedly made to you, and you do not seem to grasp is that SCOTUS has not ruled on NIL, leaving that ability for the NCAA open.

You seem to have a hard time grasping that SCOTUS has only ruled in regards to educational benefits, not NIL. And I have repeatedly said that they have not, because they have not. I asked for the case that directly dealt with NIL and you pointed me back to O'Bannon, which does not address NIL. So keep believing that you know how this all plays out, and the NCAA is toothless. Just don't be surprised when the NCAA enacts NIL regulations - I tried to warn you.
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They can try, and they will lose is what Butchie is saying. The only way out of this is for CFB to become truly proffesional, and then institute a salary cap and a draft to insure competitive integrity.

Then players can negotiate with businesses for NIL money themselves. They will bitch and moan about a draft and salary cap, but that is the only way to make it fair and inhibit cheating.
 
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TennMan101 said:
The real let down will be when Arch ends up riding the pine as a backup QB in the NFL. Peyton Manning is the one and only real QB in the Manning family. Eli done pretty good for a few years, but was ultimately just a mediocre QB, IMO. Arch isn't even on Eli's level. JMO
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Eli gets a lot of crap but he won two Super Bowls. Beating Brady both times. I’d say that’s pretty good.
 
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clt_tiger said:
My boys and I were playing some baseball in the front yard this weekend. My 10 year old did this on second base. His mom asked, “what are you doing?” He said, “Gilbert does it every time he gets a double.” He then proceeds to yell at his younger 7 year old to do the same thing when he got a triple. I teared up a little bit that day.
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My son almost hit one out last night…. It bounced over the fence…. I’m a coach on his little league team…. I was pulling out the Daddy hat to put on him to celebrate bc I thought it had went over the fence.
 
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College Sports and the PGA Tour........................:mad:


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UTSuave’ said:
Can someone please explain to me what this rift is on the PGA tour and LIV?..why are all of these PGA players resigning..I’ve read the negative concerning LIV but is it really true?..what is going on..so I can understand better from someone who keeps up with golf.
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Violation of the existing policies of the PGA and European Tours. They are to fully support the tours as members. SA with Norman fronting are trying to develop a counter tour. The pros are independent contractors, but to be members they have to comply with the policies to remain so. They feel they should be able to go where they want when they want as long as they fulfill their obligations on the other tours. They also feel those tours are not giving them a fair share of the money flowing in - that the established tours are keeping more than a fair amount. Which is weird since they are the members who vote on the policies on the existing tours.

As voting members of those existing tours they need enough other members to agree to go along with changes in that and other areas of contention. The vast majority do not agree with them in each tour. Most of the big names going LIV are on the backside of their careers and some younger have never amounted to much on the existing. They don't like playing 4 day tournaments and doing a specified numbers of pro ams against large fields of golfers since they have already competed at that level for quite awhile. The LIV is using a more fun team approach and only 3 day tourneys with much smaller fields. They make money no matter how well they play. The existing tours have the two day cuts - no making the cut, no money. The PGA Tour does not allow payment of "appearance" money for just entering a tournament. The European does, though it is controlled.

The problem is they are undercutting what gave them their opportunity and big names for a huge money grab to play lesser watched tournaments against less competition. Has a made for TV exhibition feel to it initially to me. Which is why the current elite, younger players are not biting like Rory, Justin, Jordan, Jon, etc. Nicklaus turned down the front man role and Tiger is not biting as a player or front man as well. Will see how it goes. Norman's had an axe to grind with the PGA Tour for decades.
 
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UTSuave’ said:
Can someone please explain to me what this rift is on the PGA tour and LIV?..why are all of these PGA players resigning..I’ve read the negative concerning LIV but is it really true?..what is going on..so I can understand better from someone who keeps up with golf.
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LIV was a popup competitor league started by Saudis (royalty) that have stupid money to spend for any takers. The track record on these guys is pretty rough (killed journalists, made their fortunes by any means necessary, keep it by any means necessary). They're trying to buy players to earn legitimacy as a competitor league to the PGA.

Orangeburst said:
I just read Tiger turned down high nine figure contract! I wonder what high means $100M or near $1B
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Not sure if he's turning it down because morals, or because they would require him to play 8 events per year and he's still trying to work his way back to 4 events in the PGA.

CO Vol said:
He’s rich enough, what a sellout.
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Phil? He blew a lot of his career earnings on gambling, unfortunately. Could happen to anyone. I'm thinking he sees this as his second career/opportunity to fix what he messed up.

Kind of sad he does this just one year after this:


peaygolf said:
Another example where money screws something up...................:rolleyes:

I get it, make your money and screw everyone else:mad:
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Most of these guys that they got are guys that are over the hump career-wise, at least from a PGA competitive standpoint. Or need to shake things up.

DJ was the biggest shocker to me, but he's been stale for a couple of years now.

If you feel like you're on the downward slope of your career, or you need a reset, and someone's going to cut you a generational-wealth check, that's a hard thing to turn down for some of these guys.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
LIV was a popup competitor league started by Saudis (royalty) that have stupid money to spend for any takers. The track record on these guys is pretty rough (killed journalists, made their fortunes by any means necessary, keep it by any means necessary). They're trying to buy players to earn legitimacy as a competitor league to the PGA.


Not sure if he's turning it down because morals, or because they would require him to play 8 events per year and he's still trying to work his way back to 4 events in the PGA.


Phil? He blew a lot of his career earnings on gambling, unfortunately. Could happen to anyone. I'm thinking he sees this as his second career/opportunity to fix what he messed up.

Kind of sad he does this just one year after this:



Most of these guys that they got are guys that are over the hump career-wise, at least from a PGA competitive standpoint. Or need to shake things up.

DJ was the biggest shocker to me, but he's been stale for a couple of years now.

If you feel like you're on the downward slope of your career, or you need a reset, and someone's going to cut you a generational-wealth check, that's a hard thing to turn down for some of these guys.
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BigSteve09 said:
LIV was a popup competitor league started by Saudis (royalty) that have stupid money to spend for any takers. The track record on these guys is pretty rough (killed journalists, made their fortunes by any means necessary, keep it by any means necessary). They're trying to buy players to earn legitimacy as a competitor league to the PGA.


Not sure if he's turning it down because morals, or because they would require him to play 8 events per year and he's still trying to work his way back to 4 events in the PGA.


Phil? He blew a lot of his career earnings on gambling, unfortunately. Could happen to anyone. I'm thinking he sees this as his second career/opportunity to fix what he messed up.

Kind of sad he does this just one year after this:



Most of these guys that they got are guys that are over the hump career-wise, at least from a PGA competitive standpoint. Or need to shake things up.

DJ was the biggest shocker to me, but he's been stale for a couple of years now.

If you feel like you're on the downward slope of your career, or you need a reset, and someone's going to cut you a generational-wealth check, that's a hard thing to turn down for some of these guys.
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As someone stated earlier, biggest belief is that the PGA Tour is not giving the players a big enough piece of the pie and competition will force that. That is the reason the Tour started the PIP program. IMO, LIV is paying these big name players to switch so the they can entice younger players out of college. Unless you are uber talented, getting a tour card isn’t an easy task. And even if you do, it’s even harder to make anywhere close to the money LIV is offering. If they can get enough of the good younger players that are just starting out, that’s how they hurt the PGA Tour long term. We’ll see how it plays out.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I can’t stand it when people use this to degrade Eli’s accomplishments the man threw 1 INT in 2 Super Bowls and won both. Ok it took 2 great catches it also took him not turning the ball over constantly.
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agree…we’re on the same page. It wasn’t meant to be anything other than an observation of facts.
 
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Vols4us said:
Violation of the existing policies of the PGA and European Tours. They are to fully support the tours as members. SA with Norman fronting are trying to develop a counter tour. The pros are independent contractors, but to be members they have to comply with the policies to remain so. They feel they should be able to go where they want when they want as long as they fulfill their obligations on the other tours. They also feel those tours are not giving them a fair share of the money flowing in - that the established tours are keeping more than a fair amount. Which is weird since they are the members who vote on the policies on the existing tours.

As voting members of those existing tours they need enough other members to agree to go along with changes in that and other areas of contention. The vast majority do not agree with them in each tour. Most of the big names going LIV are on the backside of their careers and some younger have never amounted to much on the existing. They don't like playing 4 day tournaments and doing a specified numbers of pro ams against large fields of golfers since they have already competed at that level for quite awhile. The LIV is using a more fun team approach and only 3 day tourneys with much smaller fields. They make money no matter how well they play. The existing tours have the two day cuts - no making the cut, no money. The PGA Tour does not allow payment of "appearance" money for just entering a tournament. The European does, though it is controlled.

The problem is they are undercutting what gave them their opportunity and big names for a huge money grab to play lesser watched tournaments against less competition. Has a made for TV exhibition feel to it initially to me. Which is why the current elite, younger players are not biting like Rory, Justin, Jordan, Jon, etc. Nicklaus turned down the front man role and Tiger is not biting as a player or front man as well. Will see how it goes. Norman's had an axe to grind with the PGA Tour for decades.
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OrangeSticks said:
As someone stated earlier, biggest belief is that the PGA Tour is not giving the players a big enough piece of the pie and competition will force that. That is the reason the Tour started the PIP program. IMO, LIV is paying these big name players to switch so the they can entice younger players out of college. Unless you are uber talented, getting a tour card isn’t an easy task. And even if you do, it’s even harder to make anywhere close to the money LIV is offering. If they can get enough of the good younger players that are just starting out, that’s how they hurt the PGA Tour long term. We’ll see how it plays out.
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Just assuming you’re a golf fan here…what is your take on the whole thing?.I’m not a golf guy but when I hear the words “PGA” I think of the green jacket..I’ve seen so many spectacular moments on the tour watching tiger play in his prime.to me personally it kinda dishonors the tour and the former greats who sacrificed a lot to get there.
 
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