War in Ukraine

[utvolpj]

I'm asking why you're continually in here advocating for American involvement in this particular invasion and haven't visibly been advocating against it in any other invasions around the world. If you find it so morally abhorrent, take a stand with some nuts and demand US involvement in all of them.

Of course, you won't do that, but that's to be expected.

It appears you are confused as I've actually done the exact opposite and usually do for a US involvement. I've never said the US should get involved here and also said we don't have a penny to spare for this mess. Pretty sure one of my posts said "let Europe handle it."

 

[utvolpj]

So the US has an Azov like group in our Armed Forces umbrella? Really? Which one is it? As for Countries invading each other, your "valid reason" metric is highly subjective.

And your "Russia says they're Nazis" isn't? Spare me

 

[Rickyvol77]

If they can defend it. Same problem with those areas who wanted to be independent of Ukraine. They couldnt defend it. Now, they can.

Or maybe a small group of terrorists shouldn’t be allowed to disrupt a sovereign country

 

[Rickyvol77]

Where have you been? Gathering intelligence on Patrick Lancaster? Still waiting on that video proof of him staging scenes.

So you don’t have an actual answer

 

[ButchPlz]

It appears you are confused as I've actually done the exact opposite and usually do for a US involvement. I've never said the US should get involved here and also said we don't have a penny to spare for this mess. Pretty sure one of my posts said "let Europe handle it."

Then I am confusing you with someone else and I apologize.

 

[volgr]

And your "Russia says they're Nazis" isn't? Spare me

You didn't answer my question. The US has an Azov like group in our military?

 

[Rickyvol77]

It still happens all the time. Why do you only care now? That's pretty ignorant.

Which other country has invaded another sovereign country under the pretense of “fighting Nazis”. At least in the modern era?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I'm asking why you're continually in here advocating for American involvement in this particular invasion and haven't visibly been advocating against it in any other invasions around the world. If you find it so morally abhorrent, take a stand with some nuts and demand US involvement in all of them.

Of course, you won't do that, but that's to be expected.

I think there is a difference between “advocating for American involvement” and simply pointing out that Russia’s invasion and killing of innocent people is a lie and morally wrong

 

[ButchPlz]

Which other country has invaded another sovereign country under the pretense of “fighting Nazis”. At least in the modern era?

I did not say anything about "fighting Nazis". It's completely irrelevant.

If invasion is wrong, then invasion is wrong. You want the US involved in this one, same case goes as I said before- have some nuts and advocate for the US to stand against the UAE, several countries in Africa, Turkey, etc.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You didn't answer my question. The US has an Azov like group in our military?

So what if they did. Should Russia invade us?

 

[volgr]

Or maybe a small group of terrorists shouldn’t be allowed to disrupt a sovereign country

True (minus the silly terrorist label), which is why Russia isn't interested in liberating areas that have "small groups" seeking independence from Ukraine. Which is most of the central and western areas which are overwhelmingly pro-Ukrainian.

 

[volgr]

So what if they did. Should Russia invade us?

Still didn't answer the question. I'll assume the answer is no.

 

[utvolpj]

You didn't answer my question. The US has an Azov like group in our military?

can you prove they are Nazis? Are they exterminating certain people? Or do the simply wear a symbol that triggers Russian people?

 

[MontyPython]

They wont last long enough to be a game changer. Russia has already destroyed a few as soon as they make it to the front.

*Bump*

Heh.

So just so I understand the grand scheme of things... you actually think Russia will beat Ukraine.

Ukraine backed by basically the entire civilized world with weapons, money, technical support, intelligence, etc., etc. etc.

Funny stuff comrade.

Let's make this worthwhile. Put your money where your mouth is: Let's bet on this - propose a bet on your Russian boys.

Winner choses an avatar of his (or in your case, her) choice for the loser (i.e. you) for 1 year duration.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I did not say anything about "fighting Nazis". It's completely irrelevant.

If invasion is wrong, then invasion is wrong. You want the US involved in this one, same case goes as I said before- have some nuts and advocate for the US to stand against the UAE, several countries in Africa, Turkey, etc.

My view on this has nothing to do with the US. I’m not pushing for US involvement even. I’m just stating that what Russia has done is wrong even though the three soviets here claim otherwise. I would say the same thing if it were any country doing the same thing

 

[norrislakevol]

So the US has an Azov like group in our Armed Forces umbrella? Really? Which one is it? As for Countries invading each other, your "valid reason" metric is highly subjective.

Who cares about Nazis? A hand full of Nazis is worth killing thousands of innocent people over? Shelling Mariopol to the ground was justified because of that?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Still didn't answer the question. I'll assume the answer is no.

My point is it doesn’t matter if there were Nazis or not. Has nothing to do with Russia

 

[volgr]

can you prove they are Nazis?

Wow. Lol. You guys are a trip.

 

[ButchPlz]

My view on this has nothing to do with the US. I’m not pushing for US involvement even. I’m just stating that what Russia has done is wrong even though the three soviets here claim otherwise. I would say the same thing if it were any country doing the same thing

Turkey invading Syria?

 

[volgr]

My view on this has nothing to do with the US. I’m not pushing for US involvement even. I’m just stating that what Russia has done is wrong even though the three soviets here claim otherwise. I would say the same thing if it were any country doing the same thing

Three soviets, lol. Yes, anyone who doesn't lap up the western propaganda and understand this isn't a black and white issue but one that is highly complex and regional, is a Soviet. Good Lord.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Turkey invading Syria?

Ok sure.

 

[DonjoVol]

Are they neocons or commie libs? You’ve called everyone here both with your strawmen debates

I never called anyone a commie lib LMAO. Plus the term liberal is for open minded people. I don't use the term liberal when referring to leftists, communists, Marxists, Stalinists, neocons, etc. As they are anything but liberal.

 

[ButchPlz]

Ok sure.

Is it wrong, is all I am asking.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Three soviets, lol. Yes, anyone who doesn't lap up the western propaganda and understand this isn't a black and white issue but one that is highly complex and regional, is a Soviet. Good Lord.

I don’t lap up western propaganda either. But I also don’t lap up Soviet propaganda from “Russians with attitude” and YouTube guys who have been directly paid by former Soviet officials and married within their family. At least have some respect for yourself.

 

[volgr]

My point is it doesn’t matter if there were Nazis or not. Has nothing to do with Russia

Doesn't matter if Ukraine has a Nazi group (prominent at that) in their military? Seriously, you guys will rationalize anything. How can you rationalize that but Russia's military operation in Ukraine is "morally wrong"? You're on a roll this morning.