War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
Zelenskyy says wants Ukraine to become a ‘big Israel’
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In comments to local media posted on the president’s official website on Tuesday, Zelenskyy stressed that his vision for Ukraine’s post-conflict future included having armed forces in “all institutions, supermarkets, cinemas, there will be people with weapons”.
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So let me get this straight, the Biden Administration and the neolibs have been more than willing to arm Ukrainians right down to babushkas with AKs. But they want to disarm Americans.
 
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volgr said:
Exactly. So was Russia's goal to take Kyiv? No. Was it because they COULDN'T take Kyiv? No. As Mariupol shows, they can take large well protected Ukrainian cities, when they want to. Now, are there more logistical challenges to taking Kyiv? Of course, but this notion that Russia wanted to take it but couldn't is quite honestly ridiculous. They didn't have near the manpower or logistics to do it. So either their leadership was ridiculously incompetent in regards to Kyiv but quite brilliant in Mariupol, or their goal was never to take Kyiv and those who say Kyiv was a feint are likely accurate in their assessment.
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The more I think about it, I believe that it was indeed a move to try to intimidate 3elensky and Kiev and force a rapid capitulation. But then it likely grew into just tying up Ukrainian troops in Kiev as a threat and prevent them from reinforcing the group that was tied down in Donbas, which was Russia's primary objective.
 
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AM64 said:
Oh, there are parallels. A couple of easy ones come to mind - like when Hitler rolled troops into neighboring countries in search of living room and resources. Or when the North Koreans rolled south into a more friendly and peaceful part of Korea. There are others obviously, but those two come to mind ... historical parallels mind you - not whataboutisms. Oh yeah, Iraq invaded Kuwait once recently, and China has eyes on Taiwan - likely just as an appetizer.
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Turkey into Northern Cypress.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The more I think about it, I believe that it was indeed a move to try to intimidate 3elensky and Kiev and force a rapid capitulation. But then it likely grew into just tying up Ukrainian troops in Kiev as a threat and prevent them from reinforcing the group that was tied down in Donbas, which was Russia's primary objective.
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Call it what it was Moe. A failed assault that, once they realized they would not be able to walk in as liberating heroes and had to fight, got their asses kicked and were forced to retreat.
 
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Septic said:
I'm sure you'll be the first one to be whining about how the selfish Ukrainians are prolonging this unnecessary war and how the lack of grain is affecting the worlds supply - resulting in starvation of gazillions. "Won't some one think of the children?", you'll cry.

If only the Ukrainians would have rolled over and played dead.
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They had a chance to resolve this several times in 8 years with their country fully intact.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So let me get this straight, the Biden Administration and the neolibs have been more than willing to arm Ukrainians right down to babushkas with AKs. But they want to disarm Americans.
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You might have had a point Moe if we ever had to worry about Canada or Mexico launching a military invasion of the US.

I’m more afraid of my own government way more than I am the governments that border us. Thus the reason 2a was brought into being in the first place
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They had a chance to resolve this several times in 8 years with their country fully intact.
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It's kind of funny. Earlier today I actually posted some videos trying to have an actual conversation. That led to the same pearl clutching attacks from some of the usual crew. The timing was rather convenient. And they accuse us of being trolls.
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's kind of funny. Earlier today I actually posted some videos trying to have an actual conversation. That led to the same pearl clutching attacks from some of the usual crew. The timing was rather convenient. And they accuse us of being trolls.
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The really funny part is you think your posts have any meaningful content.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I read that nonsense and just flew by it. Why isn't Poland getting any criticism right now for not allowing MENA immigrants in, but letting in all of these Ukrainians?
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Well the EU has been putting pressure into on Poland and Hungary for them to take in more refugees. I know previously both countries were trying to resist the mass immigration. Bulgaria was doing it as well.

I think Lancaster was even interviewing some of these immigrants awhile back. I need to go back and watch those videos. I'm glad there is still some people like Lancaster out there practicing real journalism.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The really funny part is you think your posts have any meaningful content.
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They do. I posted the videos for people to watch. It was designed to form meaningful conversation and debate. You guys are even free to point out the minute and second marks of the videos that you disagree with.

However a few of the trolls don't like meaningful conversation and debate. Just outrage.
 
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DonjoVol said:
They do. I posted the videos for people to watch. It was designed to form meaningful conversation and debate. You guys are even free to point out the minute and second marks of the videos that you disagree with.

However a few of the trolls don't like meaningful conversation and debate. Just outrage.
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Look up one post Curly. As septic said they aren’t debate worthy they’re just mock worthy.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Can you point me to the videos of his that you disagree with? In particular the minute and second mark of each ones as well. That way I can go back and review them and we can discuss.
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I don’t watch nearly as many Patrick Lancaster tripe as you do as I don’t generally seek out Russia propaganda. But it’s fairly clear to me his “interviews” are staged and is diametrically opposed from any other forward reporter

I mean… he COULD be the only one getting it right. As he’s the only one embedded with Russian troops since they started killing the independent journalists. And if he wasn’t actually on the Russian state payroll. So yeah… he COULD be totally legit.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You guys didn't even watch them lol. I probably interrupted Septic watching Dr Phil. That's probably why he was so upset.
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Upset at watching you get destroyed?

You think you're actually making cogent arguments, that's the funniest part. Seriously, you really feel like you've got the high ground.

Dumb aF.
 
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