War in Ukraine

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Septic said:
Yeah. They've been fighting against the Russian sponsored terrorists in the Donbas (think vodka soaked ISIS in Adidas track suits.)

Not the same as leveling civilian neighborhoods.

But please, keep trying to equivocate - it's amusing.
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More rinse and repeat.

There is actual documented evidence that civilians have been killed in that region by Ukrainian forces. Links have been provided but it's useless if it's not reported by your precious MSNBC or Colbert.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia Rejects Pleas to Permit Grain Shipments From Ukraine

At the same time, Mr. Guterres and U.S. officials are exploring another possible route for Ukrainian grain exports: north by rail from through Belarus to the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda, U.S. officials say. As an incentive for Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko, officials are exploring a six-month waiver of sanctions on the country’s potash fertilizer industry, U.S. officials said. Washington imposed the potash-related sanctions last year in response to Belarus’s engineering of a migration crisis and its crackdown on domestic political opposition.

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I'm sure you'll be the first one to be whining about how the selfish Ukrainians are prolonging this unnecessary war and how the lack of grain is affecting the worlds supply - resulting in starvation of gazillions. "Won't some one think of the children?", you'll cry.

If only the Ukrainians would have rolled over and played dead.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia Rejects Pleas to Permit Grain Shipments From Ukraine

At the same time, Mr. Guterres and U.S. officials are exploring another possible route for Ukrainian grain exports: north by rail from through Belarus to the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda, U.S. officials say. As an incentive for Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko, officials are exploring a six-month waiver of sanctions on the country’s potash fertilizer industry, U.S. officials said. Washington imposed the potash-related sanctions last year in response to Belarus’s engineering of a migration crisis and its crackdown on domestic political opposition.

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"Belarus's engineering of a migration crisis" lol. That's a good one.
 
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DonjoVol said:
More rinse and repeat.

There is actual documented evidence that civilians have been killed in that region by Ukrainian forces. Links have been provided but it's useless if it's not reported by your precious MSNBC or Colbert.
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Again, your equivocation is amusing.

I'm sure that the towns and villages including city blocks that have been leveled appreciate the Russian "liberation." But it's the same, gotcha.

When you grouse about not being able to have a civil conversation, it's because you lack the self awareness to realize that your arguments are absolute dogsh*t.
 
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MontyPython said:
Dude, just stop.

You clearly:

(1) Don't know Jack Sh*t about wars; and
(2) Just make sh*t up because of your ignorance.

FWIW, UK has estimated Russia has lost 33% of its fighting force to date. Oryx has visually confirmed over 3K Russian vehicles removed to date.

And in any war, playing defense on your home turf is always easier than playing offense in a foreign land.

Russia is losing this war. Period.

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They're right in the sense no one truly knows the exact numbers, but there were soldiers in all of those tanks and armored troop carriers that you've seen all blown up. So the actual numbers are huge and getting larger. Word is that the Ukrainians can't get the Russian authorities to take possession of the bodies of dead Russians. They fear parents finding out for sure that their sons are dead.
 
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Septic said:
Again, your equivocation is amusing.

I'm sure that the towns and villages including city blocks that have been leveled appreciate the Russian "liberation." But it's the same, gotcha.

When you grouse about not being able to have a civil conversation, it's because you lack the self awareness to realize that your arguments are absolute dogsh*t.
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Why? Because they do not match up with your own?

There is no gotcha to it. Yanukovych was democratically elected then was ousted from power illegally with the help of our government. This led to separatist and independence movements in the Donbass region. I have also posted links to some Democracy Now interviews which included commentary from Stephen Cohen. I would suggest listening to them. You might actually learn something. That is if you can manage to take 45 minutes of your time away from mainstream media. If you do not attempt to watch them then it is safe to come to the conclusion that you are only interested in outrage and pushing the narrative from media sources such as MSNBC.
 
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volgr said:
Pretty rough atrocities were committed by Ukrainian forces over the last 8 years. How could Russia not liberate those people?
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Pretty rough atrocities were committed by Russian forces over the last 8 years too.

Or do you think of those ukrainian civilians ended up in reeducation camps of their own free will in Far East Russia?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia Rejects Pleas to Permit Grain Shipments From Ukraine

At the same time, Mr. Guterres and U.S. officials are exploring another possible route for Ukrainian grain exports: north by rail from through Belarus to the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda, U.S. officials say. As an incentive for Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko, officials are exploring a six-month waiver of sanctions on the country’s potash fertilizer industry, U.S. officials said. Washington imposed the potash-related sanctions last year in response to Belarus’s engineering of a migration crisis and its crackdown on domestic political opposition.

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Looks like it’s time to expedite those long range anti ship missiles and send the Moskva some company then! The French need to pony up some updated Exocets also!
 
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LouderVol said:
Pretty rough atrocities were committed by Russian forces over the last 8 years too.

Or do you think of those ukrainian civilians ended up in reeducation camps of their own free will in Far East Russia?
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All of the atrocities which occurred are due to Russia destabilization of the regions and supporting the ultimate breakout of hostilities between the local factions.
 
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DonjoVol said:
So me wanting and preferring that 40 billion to be spent here in the U.S. makes me anti American? That makes a lot of sense LMAO.
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Haha. No. I never said you are "Anti American". I said you aren't American and its like you finally gave up pretending to be one. Trollsky 101 bro, gotta keep up that appearance by using culture appropriate phrases..and "Hens and Hyenas" ain't one of them Comrade.

But keep thinking its your whataboutism on Ukraine's 40 billion that I was talking about..

 
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Yall know the most interesting thing about this thread is the lengths Russia goes plant their trolls into the farthest reaches of the internet. I am willing to bet they do it by grouping social media web traffic and assigning various social media websites to their paid stooges. I know Volnation gets enough to pop up on their radar...and Russias failure in Ukraine has brought them out quick.. They follow the script (as we see here), thrown in some poorly constructed "I'm am American" tropes, and a whole lot of pro Russia anti West propaganda and logical fallacies.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Why? Because they do not match up with your own?

There is no gotcha to it. Yanukovych was democratically elected then was ousted from power illegally with the help of our government. This led to separatist and independence movements in the Donbass region. I have also posted links to some Democracy Now interviews which included commentary from Stephen Cohen. I would suggest listening to them. You might actually learn something. That is if you can manage to take 45 minutes of your time away from mainstream media. If you do not attempt to watch them then it is safe to come to the conclusion that you are only interested in outrage and pushing the narrative from media sources such as MSNBC.
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No ding dong, because Ukraine hasn't invaded a sovereign country under the dumbass premise of Nazi liberation while LEVELING everything it's path.

Read that last sentence again and stop trying to equivocate that with Ukraine fighting Russian sponsored terrorists.

My god. It's shocking how desperate you must be to reconcile that the murder of ten's of thousands of civilians is justified.

It's not that people in here are inherently uncivil and that's why you can't get an honest debate - it's that your points are inherently and fundamentally flawed from the outset and more deserving of ridicule that debate.


You keep blaming the western media but I don't need that or to point out that the russian media is full of sh*t to know that this aggression in Ukraine is unjustified on its face. It only takes common sense, something that you seemingly are short on.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yall know the most interesting thing about this thread is the lengths Russia goes plant their trolls into the farthest reaches of the internet. I am willing to bet they do it by grouping social media web traffic and assigning various social media websites to their paid stooges. I know Volnation gets enough to pop up on their radar...and Russias failure in Ukraine has brought them out quick..
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I’d like to think actual paid trolls have a better game than the daily dumbassery exhibited by the stooge trio but after seeing their completely inept military maybe that dumbassery is a perfect fit! Who knew?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’d like to think actual paid trolls have a better game than the daily dumbassery exhibited by the stooge trio but after seeing their completely inept military maybe that dumbassery is a perfect fit! Who knew?
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They don't. I honed my "Trollsky spotting" craft on LiveLeak when it existed. There were always simple tells from the Russian and Chinese trolls on that site..same things I'm seeing here. With the Chinese ones if you posted a pic of their "president" and Winnie the Pooh they would flip out. It was great.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
They don't. I honed my "Trollsky spotting" craft on LiveLeak when it existed. There were always simple tells from the Russian and Chinese trolls on that site..same things I'm seeing here. With the Chinese ones if you posted a pic of their "president" and Winnie the Pooh they would flip out. It was great.
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Hey is your avatar the IV crusade album cover? If not, it looks similar.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Hey is your avatar the IV crusade album cover? If not, it looks similar.
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Nah its a painting of the Battle Of Tours where Charles "The Hammer" Martel crushes the invading Muslims and kept them out of Europe. Great Grandaddy of some dude named Charlemagne.

The IVth Crusade is a painting of the actual Crusades but about 400 years after Martel (I think)
 
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