War in Ukraine

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tvolsfan said:
Go ahead, name the anti-Trumpers here who are pro Bush.
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I am pro bush but not the W variety.

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LouderVol said:
Jesus someone is really channeling their inner Zhukov here.

Mauripol is directly on the border, kiev is more than 200 miles away. They were literally able to land attack Mauripol from day one, with no logistical issues. They got somewhat near Kiev in a two weeks, and then sat there for a month. So the evidence points to logistics being a factor. As easy as it was for Russia to resupply and reinforce its forces in Mauripol, it would be that easy for Ukraine to do the same in Kiev. And we already saw the Russians struggle with supplying their push on Kiev, just like we saw Ukraine struggle to supply Mauripol. So the russians would lose their big advantage, and hand it to the Ukrainians in an attack on Kiev.

Mauripol had a population of 440k, Kiev 2,884k. So 6x the size. Did russia have a force 6x what they used on Mauripol to take Kiev? If it took 6x as long to fall as Mauripol it would be almost three times the length of the Battle of Stalingrad. That points to it being a very sizable fight for anyone.

Beyond being able to get new troops and supplies easier at Mauripol than they would at Kiev they were fighting from friendly territory, prepared positions. So if a unit was badly hurt or needed to resupply or rest, they wouldnt have to pull back far, and they could do so to prepared positions, making it easier to accommodate the logistics, speeding up their attacks. At kiev they would have to push farther, into enemy territory, not have prepared positions to resupply or rest from. And likely this would require them having to cycle units from further back from the front lines which complicates things as well.

Basically Mauripol was as good of an attacking posistion as Russia was going to get, and as bad for Ukraine as it was going to get. Kiev may not be the complete opposite, but it would be a significant swing that would favor the Ukrianians. Would it matter in the end? Idk. But there are plenty of military reasons to see a difference in the Russians taking Mauripol vs Kiev.
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It's going to be interesting to see how new weapons and training are going to affect the balance of this war. Ukraine likely had little to effectively fight with in respect to somewhat isolated areas like Mauripol. Longer range artillery and other assets could change that - guess we'll have to wait and see. There is definitely a difference in almost an insurgent action defending interior turf and fighting on a border where things are more even - or because of size probably favor the Russians.
 
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Well, the war has changed. Even UK intelligence has stated that it has become a "piecemeal" approach. I suspect the Ukraines of peace are doing the same. It is literally day by day grind rn.
 
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Septic said:
No ding dong, because Ukraine hasn't invaded a sovereign country under the dumbass premise of Nazi liberation while LEVELING everything it's path.

Read that last sentence again and stop trying to equivocate that with Ukraine fighting Russian sponsored terrorists.

My god. It's shocking how desperate you must be to reconcile that the murder of ten's of thousands of civilians is justified.

It's not that people in here are inherently uncivil and that's why you can't get an honest debate - it's that your points are inherently and fundamentally flawed from the outset and more deserving of ridicule that debate.


You keep blaming the western media but I don't need that or to point out that the russian media is full of sh*t to know that this aggression in Ukraine is unjustified on its face. It only takes common sense, something that you seemingly are short on.
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Your ignorance really is astounding.

It's funny I tried earlier this afternoon to have a civil discussion and shared a video discussing Alexander Dugin who is supposedly influential to Putin. Then shared 2 videos discussing the roots of the conflict back in 2014. What happens? A few of the hens were let loose out of the hen house. The timing was rather convenient.

People like you are only interested in hearing your side of the story. No wonder you approve of Zelensky's recent totalitarian tactics.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Your ignorance really is astounding.

It's funny I tried earlier this afternoon to have a civil discussion and shared a video discussing Alexander Dugin who is supposedly influential to Putin. Then shared 2 videos discussing the roots of the conflict back in 2014. What happens? A few of the hens were let loose out of the hen house. The timing was rather convenient.

People like you are only interested in hearing your side of the story. No wonder you approve of Zelensky's recent totalitarian tactics.
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Russia arrests multiple people for holding up blank signs

Show us the videos of people in Ukraine being arrested for holding up blank pieces of paper.
 
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DonjoVol said:
One of them liked your post
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You’re absolutely clueless. I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 but I did in 2020. And I voted for W both times. Probably wouldn’t vote for either one now but that shouldn’t be an issue. So once again you come across like a complete idiot.

Now where is the rest of your damn list, Stooge. You’re O fer right now
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You’re absolutely clueless. I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 but I did in 2020. And I voted for W both times. Probably wouldn’t vote for either one now but that shouldn’t be an issue. So once again you come across like a complete idiot.

Now where is the rest of your damn list, Stooge. You’re O fer right now
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I wasn't referring to you LMAO. Calm down Proctor.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I'll say it once again. Lavrov explained it in the interview I posted as to why the Russian government expected payments to be made in rubles. I'll probably post that again and provide the minute and second mark where he explains this to make it easier for this crew to look up.
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Save yourself the trouble. They will ignore it.
 
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volgr said:
Putin said a month or so ago that the next 12-18 months would be hard. A strong Ruble however, will most definitely aid them during this transition period. What will also aid them is a growing anti-West sentiment among the populace.
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Look at that thread I made about the Summit of Americas. I think these weak azz s^^thole countries see an opening, also. So it isn't just Russia.

And then you have China coming in off the top ropes...

China for expansion of five-nation BRICS

In what could be a prelude to an expansion, a separate session in a “BRICS Plus” format was held on Friday evening within the framework of the virtual BRICS Foreign Ministers’ meeting hosted by China. The countries represented at the meeting were Argentina, Egypt, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Nigeria, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Senegal and Thailand.

The BRICS members have backed the broad Chinese suggestion for an expansion of the bloc, but an agreement on the names of the countries may be subject to protracted negotiations. A joint statement by the BRICS Foreign Ministers said they needed to clarify relevant guiding principles, standards and procedures before undertaking any expansion.
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I've said it many times... how do you sanction a country that is a trading partner with China and a country that is a world leader in all of the commodities the world needs?

China needs Russian coal. Moscow needs new customers - CNN

China's coal imports from Russia nearly doubled between March and April, reaching 4.42 million metric tons, according to trade data from Refinitiv. Russia has overtaken Australia as China's second biggest supplier since last year and now accounts for 19% of its coal imports, up from the 14% share it had in March.
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People out there so gung ho about removing Putin... you had better walk that back, because people like Dmitry Medvedev. He pulled out the machete with some of these quotes. And there are likely more people behind Putin just like him. Putin is a gentle puzzy cat compared to these guys looks like. Juicy weeds... WOW

'Insane' sanctions or food supplies: Dmitry Medvedev tells West

"Otherwise, there's no logic: on the one hand, insane sanctions are being imposed against us, on the other hand, they are demanding food supplies. Things don't work like that, we're not idiots," said Medvedev, Deputy Chairman of Russia's Security Council.

"Countries importing our wheat and other food products will have a very difficult time without supplies from Russia. And on European and other fields, without our fertilizers, only juicy weeds will grow," added Medvedev, who served as president between 2008 and 2012.
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