War in Ukraine

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Hunerwadel said:
He's basically a troll here. No way does a Tennessee Volunteer take such an anti American, anti West pro Russian view of the world on this issue.
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I'm not anti-American. I simply don't like the direction we are going and the decisions we make. And I have no issue with saying that I don't care what other western countries do, as long as it doesn't affect us.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not anti-American. I simply don't like the direction we are going and the decisions we make. And I have no issue with saying that I don't care what other western countries do, as long as it doesn't affect us.
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Sure that’s why you said you hope the US/West is defeated and constantly cheer for the Russians and your crush Putin to do the exact same things you claim you hate
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You said the Ukraine has been a “captured state” of the US. Is that your belief?
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Yes, it is a captured state.

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It’s your subsequent belief that the Ukrainian people’s 20 million people who voted in the election in 2019 is not legitimate?
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I'm not arguing that 20 million people didn't vote. There was an election. The 2 main candidates involved in that election? Well that is a different story. I think the people were not really given much of a choice.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Sure that’s why you said you hope the US/West is defeated and constantly cheer for the Russians and your crush Putin to do the exact same things you claim you hate
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I do hope these people running the West right now are defeated. You make it sound like that is seditious or anti-liberty. Biden, Trudeau, Boris Johnson, and the various other political players that are running the show right now need to be defeated. There is nothing to discuss with regards to that. My hope is that they don't just knock over the table and pull us into a nuclear exchange.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I do hope these people running the West right now are defeated. You make it sound like that is seditious or anti-liberty. Biden, Trudeau, Boris Johnson, and the various other political players that are running the show right now need to be defeated. There is nothing to discuss with regards to that. My hope is that they don't just knock over the table and pull us into a nuclear exchange.
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If that’s the case please explain why you claim to hate:
- oligarchs using their money to influence government
- unfair elections, voter fraud, voter intimidation
- people opposed to freedom especially those who attack free speech, personal rights etc
- politicians who strong arm the people using unjust laws and the police or military to silence, imprison, subjugate, or even assassinate their political opponents
- our government using political influence, arming conflicts, or military action on sovereign nations

And then excuse and support literally every single one of those things done by Putin or his puppets or anti other anti US autocrat. I know you bring out the tired “I expect more of the uS” line but you literally refuse to condemn those actions which shows your hypocrisy. Even with how you speak about people you disagree with here.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I do hope these people running the West right now are defeated. You make it sound like that is seditious or anti-liberty. Biden, Trudeau, Boris Johnson, and the various other political players that are running the show right now need to be defeated. There is nothing to discuss with regards to that. My hope is that they don't just knock over the table and pull us into a nuclear exchange.
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Even if we push these leaders aside, the issues you are frustrated about will not be solved. Neither is Putin going to solve it. The problem in the West is the change in culture in general.

1. Take the LGBTQ+ debates right now, this is just the end of a never end decline of Family. I hate that Christians are so focused on Homosexuality when that has had little to do with decline of marriage. It all started in the 1950s or even earlier, when people stopped having respect/fear for God and respect/desire to protect their purity for marriage. Heck, most people that get married today have had sex prior to being married so there really isn't any meaning to Honeymoons anymore. The disposability of spouses through divorce because you get bored or don't like habits is even a worse example of where we have gone as a culture.

2. Freedom - Yes, I am going to say it and it is unpopular. We are too obsessed with our supposed "Freedoms" to the point that we don't think there are consequences or even have civil decorum on how we speak/interact with each other. The obsession with Freedoms has made us a very selfish and entitled generation. There is little respect for authority because we challenge everything. This reflects relationships of Children with Parents and Teachers for example.

3. History - How we teach History is biased and doesn't take into account the true view points of that era. We are very disrespectful the way we talk of past generations and their supposed flaws. Most of these people criticism our ancestors for racism or other crimes would have definitely perpetuated those crimes had they lived in that era. Keep in mind that everything we have today is based off what our ancestors passed to us. One item that I don't spend a lot of time crying over is the Native Americans debate. For the most part, the Native Americans were just warrior bands engaged in killing each other off and everyone around them. They were nothing more than the Celts were to the Greeks, Carthaginians, and Romans in the ancient period. In fact, more Native American tribes were killed off by each other than by white people (look it up). Even the Thanksgiving story and pilgrims that were helped by Native Americans were flawed. The Native Tribe that helped the Pilgrims did so to forge an Alliance with the Pilgrims against another enemy tribe. Therefore, they had ulterior purposes. (These tribes ended up killing each other off, look it up). We just don't study history and rely on sound bites.

4. Pride - this kind of goes with #2. We are always RIGHT. Our neighbors and idiots are wrong. That is the problem. Not to mention people in the USA make up their mind without even studying the topic! They will argue vehemently topics that they don't even understand. We do a lot of stupid actions because we are proud and fail to admit we are wrong on topics. It shows in our interaction with each other with every turn.

5. Morality - We don't have a set of moral norms anymore. Up until the secular movements after WW2, the moral norms were typically based on Christian/Anglo-Saxon cultural norms. That is still present in our culture (Conservative movement) but is not a dominant force. As I stated, there is no world where the LGBTQ+ community and Christian Conservative community can actually live side-by-side. They are two cultural branches that 100% conflict with each other. If our government takes a position, it will harm the rights of one of these groups over the other group. We, as a country, are faced with an interesting set of scenarios were we literally have cultural groups that cannot work together. This is why there is a heavy divide (although our country has faced similar heavy division on numerous occasions since its inception). Take the current issue of abortion, even the legality of it is based on a simple philosophical question: Is the fetus a living human being and if so, does it deserve protections under our Constitution? Since a woman has to carry this fetus (or person), what are her rights and responsibilities?

These questions cannot easily be answered and it goes back to the core idea that perhaps #2/Freedom is limited at some point based on the circumstances of life.

I agree with you RasputinVol that our nation is heading in the wrong direction and our leadership is very bad but it hasn't pushed me over to supporting a Society (Russia) that is even worse than our own system. You are failing to see just how bad Russia and Putin truly are. Their system is far worse than the USA system even on its worse day.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If that’s the case please explain why you claim to hate:
- oligarchs using their money to influence government
- unfair elections, voter fraud, voter intimidation
- people opposed to freedom especially those who attack free speech, personal rights etc
- politicians who strong arm the people using unjust laws and the police or military to silence, imprison, subjugate, or even assassinate their political opponents
- our government using political influence, arming conflicts, or military action on sovereign nations

And then excuse and support literally every single one of those things done by Putin or his puppets or anti other anti US autocrat. I know you bring out the tired “I expect more of the uS” line but you literally refuse to condemn those actions which shows your hypocrisy.
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Would it make you feel better if I come out right now and condemn any of these actions right now? That really isn't any sort of labor for me to do. No matter where corruption occurs, I would condemn it and it should be condemned.

You get butthurt, however, because I continually pound on the US when we engage in corruption. There is a good reason for that... because this is where I live. Me harping on our countries corruption or being fixated on it isn't anti-American, however.

Rickyvol77 said:
And then excuse and support literally every single one of those things done by Putin or his puppets or anti other anti US autocrat. I know you bring out the tired “I expect more of the uS” line but you literally refuse to condemn those actions which shows your hypocrisy.
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And when I highlight the hypocrisy in many of arguments made here about this conflict, you all get upset and scream whataboutism. All I'm trying to understand is why in this particular situation, you all feel one way, but when there are several incidents elsewhere, you all feel another way. I'm trying to figure out and understand what is so different and special about Ukraine.

Rickyvol77 said:
Even with how you speak about people you disagree with here.
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How do I speak to people I disagree with here? This is a new attack. I've been rather tame compared to most people coming after me on here.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What proof of funny business existed in 2019 election there?
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Here you go with the mendacity again. Read what I just said to you.

Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not arguing that 20 million people didn't vote. There was an election. The 2 main candidates involved in that election? Well that is a different story. I think the people were not really given much of a choice.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Would it make you feel better if I come out right now and condemn any of these actions right now? That really isn't any sort of labor for me to do. No matter where corruption occurs, I would condemn it and it should be condemned.

You get butthurt, however, because I continually pound on the US when we engage in corruption. There is a good reason for that... because this is where I live. Me harping on our countries corruption or being fixated on it isn't anti-American, however.


And when I highlight the hypocrisy in many of arguments made here about this conflict, you all get upset and scream whataboutism. All I'm trying to understand is why in this particular situation, you all feel one way, but when there are several incidents elsewhere, you all feel another way. I'm trying to figure out and understand what is so different and special about Ukraine.


How do I speak to people I disagree with here? This is a new attack. I've been rather tame compared to most people coming after me on here.
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Saying that people should be executed because you don’t understand or agree with their jobs for one.
and nothing is “special” about the ukraine, it’s about you parroting Russian lies and being hypocritical which I stated and brushing legit criticism aside with “but but but the US did this in 1889”.
it’s simple minded at best, nut job conspiracy theorist at worst
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Here you go with the mendacity again. Read what I just said to you.
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How so though? They voted whom they chose. Thus it’s legitimate. More legitimate than your feelz or Putin’s ambitions.
you are operating on bias and feelz and conspiracies. Not actual facts
 
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RasputinVol,

I definitely sympathize with your hate of liberals. I mean, they are trying to defend the teaching of transgenderism to K-3rd graders. Only a piece of **** would do that. I have the lowest respect for these individuals. It still won't push me to defend Putin however.

Putin is a tyrant that allowed his cronies and himself to pocket most of Russia's funds instead of spending it for the betterment of his nation and people.

He is a crony that has constantly sought war and destabilization of the current world economic order.

He has constantly been willing to support regimes that have engage in actions of genocide and pure evil (North Korea, Syria, Iran, etc.)

He has assassinated or imprisoned any political opponents towards him, going as far as to assassinate enemies on foreign soil.


Now if you want me to follow with you on something, I will say the United States constant backing of Saudi Arabia, despite all of its evil, is one area of weakness. It is clear that we have become dependent on Saudi Arabia both for oil and to keep peace in the Middle East. USA often picks the lesser of two evils in the foreign policy sphere and that has caused us to back really bad regimes in the past because we thought it was for the better good.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I do hope these people running the West right now are defeated. You make it sound like that is seditious or anti-liberty. Biden, Trudeau, Boris Johnson, and the various other political players that are running the show right now need to be defeated. There is nothing to discuss with regards to that. My hope is that they don't just knock over the table and pull us into a nuclear exchange.
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If there is a nuclear exchange who do you think is going to launch first? And all because they can't win a war they started.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I agree with you RasputinVol that our nation is heading in the wrong direction and our leadership is very bad but it hasn't pushed me over to supporting a Society (Russia) that is even worse than our own system.
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Russian society right now is worse than what we have in many aspects, but we are moving far closer to that right here in America over the last few years. This is the source of my concern and why I pull for the defeat of these globalist efforts in Ukraine, Syria and other places around the globe that our country plays a role in.

Also, I can eat the meat and spit out the bones. There are some good things in Russia along with the bad. Their country, even with their flaws, seems to be moving in the right direction under Putin with regards to morality and cultural issues you brought up.

volbound1700 said:
You are failing to see just how bad Russia and Putin truly are.
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I don't think Putin and Russia are nearly as bad as the western media portrays him to be. I believe he is no better or worse than any other world leader, the main difference is that he is the leader of a country with nukes. If Putin was the man that we are being lead to believe, the nukes would have been flying in 2014... or right now for that matter.

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Their system is far worse than the USA system even on its worse day.
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I understand and I agree. My point is that the people that are in power right now are quickly pulling us to where they are... or further.
 
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The importance of the following graphic cannot be understated.

This is an absolute game changer. The Donbas region is wide-open tank and artillery territory. With the incoming heavy artillery provided by us and other western countries, Ukraine can literally pummel Russian front lines without fear of retaliatory strikes from Russian artillery, because they simply can't shoot as far. I believe the only alternatives Russia will have to attack the new Ukrainian artillery will be with long-range missiles, planes or helicopters... all of which would be subjected to heavy AA fire from Stingers, S300s, etc. Plus, I suspect the Ukrainian MO will be to 'shoot and scoot' - thereby hopefully avoiding potential retaliatory strikes.

 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Saying that people should be executed because you don’t understand or agree with their jobs for one.
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And let me say it again one more time, if a hospital administration or medical worker stands in the way of treatment of a person that is on their deathbed or on the verge of dying because of some policy or political agenda, they deserve to have the worst fate fall on them. Am I clear? Make sure you take in completely what I have said and make sure you don't twist it or distort it in any way.

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and nothing is “special” about the ukraine, it’s about you parroting Russian lies and being hypocritical which I stated
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And again, when I point out your hypocrisy by putting the Ukraine situation side by side with other situations in Serbia, Syria, Northern Cypress and Iraq and simply ask what is the difference in Ukraine and our response vs the response we took in these other situations, you all scream whataboutism. Meanwhile, none of you have the integrity to answer those simple questions. You accuse me of hypocrisy, but you guys engage in avoid tough questions that will highlight your hypocrisy.

Also, I could change my avatar to the old Soviet flag, lay flowers on Lenin's grave and have a communist party membership card in my wallet. The fact remains that putting other events side by side with each other and asking what is different isn't a deflection. If you all had any kind of answer, you would be able to answer those questions simply and easily without getting apoplectic or resorting to ad hominems.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Who would have believed the Russian army is so unbelievably inept? We should hear from Putin in a few hours. I hope someone is his orbit takes him out soon. This could get dangerous real fast.
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I'd say it's a good bet that we'll see some fireworks tomorrow from the Ukrainians. Putin having a big ol' military parade / celebration is just too much to ignore.

Would be awesome if Ukraine sent a dozen low-flying Bayraktar drones loaded to the hilt on a one-way kamikaze mission to Moscow... but, blowing up the Crimean Bridge would be a close second.
 
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