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NEO said:
Fun fact: one of my clients just fired all their cashiers and went cashless and now only takes orders through an app or a large iPad. This client has 120 plus restaurants. I am literally watching the switch in life.

Cashiers are the first things going everywhere. Hence self checkout everywhere now.

It will take longer but short order cooks are next.

You need to find a career and quit clinging to your food job. My best advice I can give ya.
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I suggest reading some of the articles I posted. Engineers, accountants, and some people working in healthcare could be next. What do you suggest for them?

There are still plenty of cashiers and retail clerks working in society. People skills will be once again valued in the future. The conservative hero Musk has even said this. I suggest most people learn them. Many on here are lacking in them that is for sure.

Self checkouts are not everywhere. One of the grocery stores I go to does not have them. Even then there are still plenty of other jobs in grocery stores. For example Walmart does not have as many cashiers now but they do have employees who shop and pick the online grocery delivery orders.

The best advice I can give you and others is to stop wishing for people's jobs to go away due to automation. It really reflects poorly on you conservatives who wish this. One day it might be the job of one of your loved ones that gets automated.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I suggest reading some of the articles I posted. Engineers, accountants, and some people working in healthcare could be next. What do you suggest for them?

There are still plenty of cashiers and retail clerks working in society. People skills will be once again valued in the future. The conservative hero Musk has even said this. I suggest most people learn them. Many on here are lacking in them that is for sure.

Self checkouts are not everywhere. One of the grocery stores I go to does not have them. Even then there are still plenty of other jobs in grocery stores. For example Walmart does not have as many cashiers now but they do have employees who shop and pick the online grocery delivery orders.

The best advice I can give you and others is to stop wishing for people's jobs to go away due to automation. It really reflects poorly on you conservatives who wish this. One day it might be the job of one of your loved ones that gets automated.
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So in summary your response as usual is

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DonjoVol said:
Robbie the Robot could also replace the dispatcher, accountant, and engineer. Even people working in healthcare. Like you said. It is when not if.

Conservative values should be rejecting this mass automation and AI. I am beginning to think your values do not line up with conservatism so I guess I am speaking to the wrong person about conservative values.
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We should reject automation and AI because the job market will fluctuate? Are you serious? The entire history of human adaptation of technology says hello.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
We should reject automation and AI because the job market will fluctuate? Are you serious? The entire history of human adaptation of technology says hello.
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I have stated in other posts why we should reject it. Perhaps you should go back and read some of my other posts. It will get to a point where it will take away too many jobs if it keeps up at its current pace. Then there will be no jobs to replace the ones be taken away which could lead to universal basic income and more public housing. Which would basically mean no more middle class in this country. Which would be a democrat politician's dream. Plus there is a very good chance it won't be the jobs that Dallas Forty and others thinks automation will replace.

Now I am not sure what your political leanings are but if you are a democrat I am sure you are for all this automation 100%.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Automation is likely to take away accounting and engineering jobs before food service.
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You ought to visit Seoul or Tokyo. Some foodservice and entertainment are practically fully automated and have been for almost a decade.

In the US, a good bit of the cashiers for foodservice and retail have already went the way of the dodo bird.

Having managed two different plants, one a traditional "dumb" plant and the other a fully automated "smart" plant, although there are less jobs in the automated plant, the pay rate is significantly higher and the quality of employee is much better.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You ought to visit Seoul or Tokyo. Some foodservice and entertainment are practically fully automated and have been for almost a decade.

In the US, a good bit of the cashiers for foodservice and retail have already went the way of the dodo bird.

Having managed two different plants, one a traditional "dumb" plant and the other a fully automated "smart" plant, although there are less jobs in the automated plant, the pay rate is significantly higher and the quality of employee is much better.
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I will go ahead and repost a few articles for you just in case you missed it. Sure they might be trying to figure out how to automate restaurant jobs but they are doing it for other industries as well. Lets say a huge trucking company such as Averitt Express decides to automate all their dispatchers. Then what? Oh let me guess. It just sucks for them right?

Council Post: Automation Is The Future Of Trucking, But It's Not All About Autonomous Driving

What jobs are affected by AI? Better-paid, better-educated workers face the most exposure
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You ought to visit Seoul or Tokyo. Some foodservice and entertainment are practically fully automated and have been for almost a decade.

In the US, a good bit of the cashiers for foodservice and retail have already went the way of the dodo bird.

Having managed two different plants, one a traditional "dumb" plant and the other a fully automated "smart" plant, although there are less jobs in the automated plant, the pay rate is significantly higher and the quality of employee is much better.
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By the way. I have stated on here before that most restaurants can function with smaller crews. I think a better paid smaller crew is better than a lower paid larger crew. Plus it helps with employee retention and the restaurant operates more smoothly. But for some reason people took issue with me simply saying that.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I have stated in other posts why we should reject it. Perhaps you should go back and read some of my other posts. It will get to a point where it will take away too many jobs if it keeps up at its current pace. Then there will be no jobs to replace the ones be taken away which could lead to universal basic income and more public housing. Which would basically mean no more middle class in this country. Which would be a democrat politician's dream. Plus there is a very good chance it won't be the jobs that Dallas Forty and others thinks automation will replace.

Now I am not sure what your political leanings are but if you are a democrat I am sure you are for all this automation 100%.
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You must be really tore up for horse and buggy industry (which employed a lot of people: drivers, caretakers, stable hands, hay providers, stable construction workers, stable owners, leather makers, wagon makers, etc.), switchboard operators, manual labor in warehouses which were eliminated by fork lifts, the countless abject poverty stricken farmers, scribes, etc.

The recent technological ability for most of the workforce to work from home is horrible. Damn all that extra time and flexibility workers have to spend with their family! Spending extra time and money on your family goes against my deeply held conservative values!
 
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DonjoVol said:
I will go ahead and repost a few articles for you just in case you missed it. Sure they might be trying to figure out how to automate restaurant jobs but they are doing it for other industries as well. Lets say a huge trucking company such as Averitt Express decides to automate all their dispatchers. Then what? Oh let me guess. It just sucks for them right?

Council Post: Automation Is The Future Of Trucking, But It's Not All About Autonomous Driving

What jobs are affected by AI? Better-paid, better-educated workers face the most exposure
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Correct. You know scribes also used to be quite educated, right? Printing press put them out of business. You know the term "computer" was once a job title for the very highly educated which would crunch complex calculations? Just horrible we have devices in our pocket that can do that in an instant.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You must be really tore up for horse and buggy industry (which employed a lot of people: drivers, caretakers, stable hands, hay providers, stable construction workers, stable owners, leather makers, wagon makers, etc.), switchboard operators, manual labor in warehouses which were eliminated by fork lifts, the countless abject poverty stricken farmers, scribes, etc.

The recent technological ability for most of the workforce to work from home is horrible. Damn all that extra time and flexibility workers have to spend with their family! Spending extra time and money on your family goes against my deeply held conservative values!
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Some companies are now requiring their employees to get their butts back into the office. Many of the permanent work from home jobs still require set hours. All it really does is eliminate the commute. That is about it.

Okay. Lets say a company decides to automate most of their accounting jobs. Now 80% of the accounting department is without a job. Other companies decide its best to automate those jobs as well. In what field would you suggest these individuals look for work?

Same with dispatchers who were working for trucking companies.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Correct. You know scribes also used to be quite educated, right? Printing press put them out of business. You know the term "computer" was once a job title for the very highly educated which would crunch complex calculations? Just horrible we have devices in our pocket that can do that in an instant.
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You still did not address what was in those articles. There is also a 46 page report attached that you can read in the Brookings articles. Let me know when you have read the whole report.
 
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#27,717
PKT_VOL said:
Correct. You know scribes also used to be quite educated, right? Printing press put them out of business. You know the term "computer" was once a job title for the very highly educated which would crunch complex calculations? Just horrible we have devices in our pocket that can do that in an instant.
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I am talking about jobs that exist today. Not from 50 to 100 years ago or more. What occupations would engineers, accountants, and people working in the healthcare field go into if they were to lose their jobs to automation? Please elaborate.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That’s why retention of Odessa is so critical. That and it sets up the land bridge for their next play if they are successful here, Moldova. Ukraine will fight to the bitter end to keep Odessa
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I think some American companies are directly doing business in Odessa as well. Is that correct? I believe Cargill is one of them.
 
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#27,723
DonjoVol said:
I think some American companies are directly doing business in Odessa as well. Is that correct? I believe Cargill is one of them.
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No idea. However there were several MI opinion pieces pointing to how Odessa is a must hold no matter the cost for military and economic strategic purposes for Ukraine
 
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#27,725
NorthDallas40 said:
That’s why retention of Odessa is so critical. That and it sets up the land bridge for their next play if they are successful here, Moldova. Ukraine will fight to the bitter end to keep Odessa
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What would Russia gain from taking over Moldova? If anything I see Moldova perhaps becoming an ally or puppet of Russia like Belarus is.
 
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