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utvolmaniac said:
When the ball get by or dropped by the catcher on strike three, the batter is not out until either tagged or thrown out at first.

The exception is when there are less than two outs and first base is occupied at the time the pitch is made. In that case, the batter is out.

Whether first base is occupied does not matter if the strikeout would be the third out. In that case, the batter would have to be tagged or thrown out at first.

Runners can always advance at their own risk as long as the ball is in play.
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That’s the rule. I think everyone chiming in on this understands what the rule is. And we’re debating whether or not it’s logical.
 
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Paper_Towel said:
If you would ask me to find the difference between the dump in Murfreesboro and SDS, I wouldn't be able to.
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I live on the south side of Murfreesboro but somedays if the wind is right I can smell the dump. I can't imagine living on the north side within spitting distance of the dang thing.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
It’s literally a rule from a different game. The bulk of the rules from the pre-baseball stick-and-ball games were either eliminated or modified beyond recognition as the game evolved into baseball as we know it. But that one rule remained practically unchanged, which is why everyone finds it so quirky/confusing/counterintuitive. And it’s why they had to make up new rules to make it work in the context of the modern game.

Also, modern baseball does not require putouts. Umpires can declare batters out, as they do in this same situation when first base is occupied with less than 2 outs. There’s no reason they couldn’t just declare the batter out on strike 3 in all situations.

It’s a bad rule. It’s kind of an indefensibly bad rule.
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100% agree.

I equate baseball rules to the rules of golf. Guess who changed a lot of the antiquated rules in the past few years and that sport has been around centuries longer than baseball. The ancient traditionalists hated the changes until they saw it brought fairness to the game and improved the pace of play while making it easier to understand for the average Joe. The pro tournament attendance has grown off the charts despite no Tiger being in the field. Part of it is no COVID mess. A bigger part is because people realize how much fun it is to follow in person now that everything moves along and is easier to understand. Who doesn't like to see 350 yard bombs off the tee by guys who stand 5'9" and weight 160 lbs.? Average fan sees himself in those guys.

If the most traditional sport ever can change the rules to adapt to changes and needs in the game - so can baseball. Just call a strike three and move on. If a baserunner wants to run, the game continues on. People don't come to see the stuff that makes no sense, they come to see hits, home runs, 100 mph fast balls, crazy change-ups, stolen bases and fantastic plays in the field. Nearly every pitch the batters step out to adjust gloves. There were no batting gloves for a hundred years. Make the batter stay in the box. If he steps out except for injuries, wild pitches, HBP's, and such voluntarily, call a strike. If the pitcher starts delaying, warn and then call a ball if they do it again. They added the infield fly rule to eliminate gaming that issue a long time ago. They do the automatic base on balls now. They can make the other changes that enhance the game and speed it up to make the strategy and skill the game requires be more interesting to the public at large. For example, instead of stopping the shifts, they need to work on the stuff that matters. Shifts force the hitters to get better at what they do or find something else to do with their lives. The diamond Vols are proving that up, why not MLB players? Yesterday, UF tried pitching away and shifting the D on our guys. So most of our guys stopped trying to pull the ball and starting going the opposite way with small ball. It worked. A couple of doubles and one HR, but the bulk of the runs produced were from guys getting base hits and walks.

Reintroduce the strategy and remove the chaff. Make baseball fun again.
 
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engineerVOL said:
I don’t have a problem with that rule going away. Would like to know the reason it ever existed.

Edit: it’s a 226-year old rule from a sport baseball is derived from in which the pitcher intentionally threw a very hittable ball. There was no need for a catcher. Everyone usually hit it. The spirit of the rule was to avoid inactivity of a team was very bad at batting, and, in the case of a third strike, the ball was considered to be “hit” or “live” and the pitcher could run and go get the ball.

Eventually they added a catcher as the pitcher was allowed to throw harder.

Dropped third strikes: A look at baseball's strangest rule
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226 years old? Hell yes, keep it in.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I did strike out 25 guys in a seven inning game once due to this rule. The amazing part? There were also three ground ball outs. I’ll let you all judge my catcher now.
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Just really bad hitters swinging at ish over their heads. Actually, this is a fantastic story. Baseball is literally teeming with lore just like this. It's one of the qualities that makes it the best sport, IMO.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
It’s literally a rule from a different game. The bulk of the rules from the pre-baseball stick-and-ball games were either eliminated or modified beyond recognition as the game evolved into baseball as we know it. But that one rule remained practically unchanged, which is why everyone finds it so quirky/confusing/counterintuitive. And it’s why they had to make up new rules to make it work in the context of the modern game.

Also, modern baseball does not require putouts. Umpires can declare batters out, as they do in this same situation when first base is occupied with less than 2 outs. There’s no reason they couldn’t just declare the batter out on strike 3 in all situations.

It’s a bad rule. It’s kind of an indefensibly bad rule.
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It's not indefensible, lol. It's a rule either team can take advantage of and requires some hustle and attentiveness to exploit. Did it cost your favorite pitcher a perfect game or something?
 
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Vols4us said:
100% agree.

I equate baseball rules to the rules of golf. Guess who changed a lot of the antiquated rules in the past few years and that sport has been around centuries longer than baseball. The ancient traditionalists hated the changes until they saw it brought fairness to the game and improved the pace of play while making it easier to understand for the average Joe. The pro tournament attendance has grown off the charts despite no Tiger being in the field. Part of it is no COVID mess. A bigger part is because people realize how much fun it is to follow in person now that everything moves along and is easier to understand. Who doesn't like to see 350 yard bombs off the tee by guys who stand 5'9" and weight 160 lbs.? Average fan sees himself in those guys.

If the most traditional sport ever can change the rules to adapt to changes and needs in the game - so can baseball. Just call a strike three and move on. If a baserunner wants to run, the game continues on. People don't come to see the stuff that makes no sense, they come to see hits, home runs, 100 mph fast balls, crazy change-ups, stolen bases and fantastic plays in the field. Nearly every pitch the batters step out to adjust gloves. There were no batting gloves for a hundred years. Make the batter stay in the box. If he steps out except for injuries, wild pitches, HBP's, and such voluntarily, call a strike. If the pitcher starts delaying, warn and then call a ball if they do it again. They added the infield fly rule to eliminate gaming that issue a long time ago. They do the automatic base on balls now. They can make the other changes that enhance the game and speed it up to make the strategy and skill the game requires be more interesting to the public at large. For example, instead of stopping the shifts, they need to work on the stuff that matters. Shifts force the hitters to get better at what they do or find something else to do with their lives. The diamond Vols are proving that up, why not MLB players? Yesterday, UF tried pitching away and shifting the D on our guys. So most of our guys stopped trying to pull the ball and starting going the opposite way with small ball. It worked. A couple of doubles and one HR, but the bulk of the runs produced were from guys getting base hits and walks.

Reintroduce the strategy and remove the chaff. Make baseball fun again.
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Tl, dr. Just catch the dang ball.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
That rule to me is the same as the caught foul tip being an out on 3rd strike, but not on any other pitch. Never understood that. Any other foul caught is an out…🤔
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I think both of those rules exist for related reasons, but I haven’t looked in to it as much as the dropped third strike rule.
 
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