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Jimmy Football said:
If a pitcher throws a great breaking ball, the batter whiffs, and it hits the plate and the catcher blocks on the bounce, everyone has done their job successfully, except the batter. Why does it make sense to require extra steps for the batter to be out?

And the thing is, it’s only situational. If there’s a guy on first, suddenly none of it makes any difference. Except if there’s 2 outs: then it matters again.

Why not just have the batter be out as soon as strike three is recorded? Why all this other nonsense?
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As a former college baseball player back in the day - 100% agree. It's convoluted and antiquated. If you swing and miss the 3rd strike you should be out - period. If the ball gets past the catcher it should only have an affect on any base runners already on base. The hitter striking out should not get the benefit of a wild pitch or passed ball - he struck out.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
So, statue?
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I don't understand the issue tbh. If we had multiple Heisman winners (like we should -_-) I would hope UT would do the same.

I'm always a fan of stuff like this that adds to the mystique and history of a storied program. Statues of National Championship winning coaches or Heisman winning players is always cool to me.
 
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Vols4us said:
As a former college baseball player back in the day - 100% agree. It's convoluted and antiquated. If you swing and miss the 3rd strike you should be out - period. If the ball gets past the catcher it should only have an affect on any base runners already on base. The hitter striking out should not get the benefit of a wild pitch or passed ball - he struck out.
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I don’t have a problem with that rule going away. Would like to know the reason it ever existed.

Edit: it’s a 226-year old rule from a sport baseball is derived from in which the pitcher intentionally threw a very hittable ball. There was no need for a catcher. Everyone usually hit it. The spirit of the rule was to avoid inactivity of a team was very bad at batting, and, in the case of a third strike, the ball was considered to be “hit” or “live” and the pitcher could run and go get the ball.

Eventually they added a catcher as the pitcher was allowed to throw harder.

Dropped third strikes: A look at baseball's strangest rule
 
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Vols4us said:
As a former college baseball player back in the day - 100% agree. It's convoluted and antiquated. If you swing and miss the 3rd strike you should be out - period. If the ball gets past the catcher it should only have an affect on any base runners already on base. The hitter striking out should not get the benefit of a wild pitch or passed ball - he struck out.
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A putout is needed to record an out. The catcher catching strike three is considered the putout. If he doesn’t catch it, the putout is made by either tagging the batter or throwing down to 1B.

There is an exception. If a runner occupies 1B and there are less than 2 outs, the batter is out regardless. It would force the runner on 1B to advance…which could create a whole different situation. With 2 outs, the exception does not exist.

Hypothetical situation: Bases loaded with two outs. Batter swings at strike three in the dirt and takes off towards 1B. All the catcher has to do is simply step on home plate (with the ball in his possession) and the third out is recorded…as each runner has to advance. The runner on 3B is forced out at home.

Some of y’all want to change rules that have been in place forever. I’m a traditionalist. The rules don’t need changing. They have been in place and worked for decades.
 
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Vols4us said:
As a former college baseball player back in the day - 100% agree. It's convoluted and antiquated. If you swing and miss the 3rd strike you should be out - period. If the ball gets past the catcher it should only have an affect on any base runners already on base. The hitter striking out should not get the benefit of a wild pitch or passed ball - he struck out.
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I did strike out 25 guys in a seven inning game once due to this rule. The amazing part? There were also three ground ball outs. I’ll let you all judge my catcher now.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I did strike out 25 guys in a seven inning game once due to this rule. The amazing part? There were also three ground ball outs. I’ll let you all judge my catcher now.
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I was just reading about a minor league that allowed the batter to advance to first on ANY dropped ball or wild pitch, no matter the count.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I don't understand the issue tbh. If we had multiple Heisman winners (like we should -_-) I would hope UT would do the same.

I'm always a fan of stuff like this that adds to the mystique and history of a storied program. Statues of National Championship winning coaches or Heisman winning players is always cool to me.
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Agree, but the Heisman is dead to me.
 
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Vols4us said:
As a former college baseball player back in the day - 100% agree. It's convoluted and antiquated. If you swing and miss the 3rd strike you should be out - period. If the ball gets past the catcher it should only have an affect on any base runners already on base. The hitter striking out should not get the benefit of a wild pitch or passed ball - he struck out.
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I personally like the rule although it is hades at the 11 year old little league level…. We are having to use my son and one of the other better players at catcher instead of out in the field for this reason.
 
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utvolmaniac said:
A putout is needed to record an out. The catcher catching strike three is considered the putout. If he doesn’t catch it, the putout is made by either tagging the batter or throwing down to 1B.

There is an exception. If a runner occupies 1B and there are less than 2 outs, the batter is out regardless. It would force the runner on 1B to advance…which could create a whole different situation. With 2 outs, the exception does not exist.

Hypothetical situation: Bases loaded with two outs. Batter swings at strike three in the dirt and takes off towards 1B. All the catcher has to do is simply step on home plate (with the ball in his possession) and the third out is recorded…as each runner has to advance. The runner on 3B is forced out at home.

Some of y’all want to change rules that have been in place forever. I’m a traditionalist. The rules don’t need changing. They have been in place and worked for decades.
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It’s literally a rule from a different game. The bulk of the rules from the pre-baseball stick-and-ball games were either eliminated or modified beyond recognition as the game evolved into baseball as we know it. But that one rule remained practically unchanged, which is why everyone finds it so quirky/confusing/counterintuitive. And it’s why they had to make up new rules to make it work in the context of the modern game.

Also, modern baseball does not require putouts. Umpires can declare batters out, as they do in this same situation when first base is occupied with less than 2 outs. There’s no reason they couldn’t just declare the batter out on strike 3 in all situations.

It’s a bad rule. It’s kind of an indefensibly bad rule.
 
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