War in Ukraine

[MontyPython]

Only $50 billion? That giant sucking sound is going to get a lot louder. I’m thinking x10 eventually.

Defeat Russia. Zero American fatalities. $50B?

Bargain.

 

[McDad]

Defeat Russia. Zero American fatalities. $50B?

Bargain.

You believe Russia will be defeated? As in Russia will cease to exist as we currently know it?

 

[Orangeburst]

You believe Russia will be defeated? As in Russia will cease to exist as we currently know it?

I felt your appearance imminent lol

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think Putin wanted to expand Russia's borders like one of the great Czars so the Russian people would celebrate him for generations to come. I don't think he wants to be known as the leader that sent Russia back to the stone age. I think there are some lines he won't cross.

Don’t forget that two of the greatest Czars, Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great actually crossed the line of murdering their own sons.

 

[LouderVol]

That seems like a lot. Methinks UKR must be getting useful intelligence.

We have lost 5 going to back to the Civil War due to enemy action. 6 if you include 9/11. Last was 2014 in Afghanistan.

Five US generals killed in action

Hold up, this is only the highest ranked. I knew something seemed off. More inclusive list below. But this includes ones that died from other than enemy action. Iceland in WW2 was not friendly to our generals.

General and Flag Officers Killed in War - War on the Rocks

 

[McDad]

I felt your appearance imminent lol

 

[OrangeTsar]

The world still has heroes
Liev Schreiber Helps Cook Almost One Ton of Brisket to Feed Ukrainian Refugees for Passover

 

[Johncarter53]

Going all in for Donbas after all

 

[NorthDallas40]

You believe Russia will be defeated? As in Russia will cease to exist as we currently know it?

I’ll nibble at the stink bait a bit mcdaddio

I think we’re already at the point that “Russia” as we know it today will be quite different 5 years from now from a socio-economic standpoint. The already imposed sanctions if left in place for the long term will indeed change the future state from where it is now. I think what you’re alluding to is that it won’t affect the state leadership. And I can’t say that’s wrong either, there might be no change at all. I think it’s likely that there will be for the average Russian citizen is in for some serious long term hardship.

But also the $50B in question I am guessing would not go to Russia but rather Ukraine for rebuilding maybe? So in the longer term the average Russian would see their own country an isolated socio-economic pariah while the little country they tried to bully get rebuilt and flourish? I think that SHOULD have a huge civil unrest impact. But this is Russia … with Russian state media. So who knows what the “average Russian” will see information wise.

So in ending I think I can positively say it’s a definite maybe

 

[Velo Vol]

You believe Russia will be defeated? As in Russia will cease to exist as we currently know it?

Defeat in that it's going to be years before it can seriously threaten Europe/NATO again.

 

[Velo Vol]

We have lost 5 going to back to the Civil War due to enemy action. 6 if you include 9/11. Last was 2014 in Afghanistan.

Five US generals killed in action

Hold up, this is only the highest ranked. I knew something seemed off. More inclusive list below. But this includes ones that died from other than enemy action. Iceland in WW2 was not friendly to our generals.

General and Flag Officers Killed in War - War on the Rocks

I'm curious how the Russians were killed. As I hinted at above, I suspect UKR, though intercepts or other intelligence, knew where to target. Maybe some sniper action, too?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm curious how the Russians were killed. As I hinted at above, I suspect UKR, though intercepts or other intelligence, knew where to target. Maybe some sniper action, too?

I remember reading for one of them as well as a Colonel at the same time or in the same short window of time rather was a sniper kill. That doesn’t mean Ukraine didn’t have information before hand on where to put that sniper though.

 

[McDad]

I’ll nibble at the stink bait a bit mcdaddio

I think we’re already at the point that “Russia” as we know it today will be quite different 5 years from now from a socio-economic standpoint. The already imposed sanctions if left in place for the long term will indeed change the future state from where it is now. I think what you’re alluding to is that it won’t affect the state leadership. And I can’t say that’s wrong either, there might be no change at all. I think it’s likely that there will be for the average Russian citizen is in for some serious long term hardship.

But also the $50B in question I am guessing would not go to Russia but rather Ukraine for rebuilding maybe? So in the longer term the average Russian would see their own country an isolated socio-economic pariah while the little country they tried to bully get rebuilt and flourish? I think that SHOULD have a huge civil unrest impact. But this is Russia … with Russian state media. So who knows what the “average Russian” will see information wise.

So in ending I think I can positively say it’s a definite maybe

I don't see anything which leads me to believe Russia's politics will change. There will not be a defeat of Russia. At best there is a defeat of Putin, and another leader is elected. Our hope is that leader will be a friend to the west...but we can't classify the election of a pro-west Russian president as a defeat of Russia.

I have no idea what the future will be for Russia's people.

 

[McDad]

Defeat in that it's going to be years before it can seriously threaten Europe/NATO again.

Is Russia giving up their nukes when Ukraine prevails?

 

[volfanhill]

I remember reading for one of them as well as a Colonel at the same time or in the same short window of time rather was a sniper kill. That doesn’t mean Ukraine didn’t have information before hand on where to put that sniper though.

I am by no means an expert on this. What I have read, suggests that leadership/decision makers have to be a ton closer to the front lines bc the conscripts are incapable. I believe that's a good reason to not have mandatory military service like some advocate for on here.

 

[Burhead]

Putin has given the unit responsible for Bucha the Guards title.

Also we are seeing units that defended Kyiv rotate to the east. A video showing a tank belonging to the National Guards 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade that took the Hostomel airport back from the VDV in the early days of the war was seen in the east. It’s a NATO trained unit

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't see anything which leads me to believe Russia's politics will change. There will not be a defeat of Russia. At best there is a defeat of Putin, and another leader is elected. Our hope is that leader will be a friend to the west...but we can't classify the election of a pro-west Russian president as a defeat of Russia.

I have no idea what the future will be for Russia's people.

I think the next decade will be pain for the Russian people. But yeah I agree we have zero idea if there is success in unseating the Russian government that the next version will be any different. We are doing what we always do. Look at another culture and applying our Western colored glasses on what will happen

 

[NorthDallas40]

Putin has given the unit responsible for Bucha the Guards title.

Also we are seeing units that defended Kyiv rotate to the east. A video showing a tank belonging to the National Guards 4th Rapid Reaction Brigade that took the Hostomel airport back from the VDV in the early days of the war was seen in the east. It’s a NATO trained unit

What does that mean effectively? Is it an honorary title of some sort? Just recognition in their efforts for “the cause”?

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think the next decade will be pain for the Russian people. But yeah I agree we have zero idea if there is success in unseating the Russian government that the next version will be any different. We are doing what we always do. Look at another culture and applying our Western colored glasses on what will happen

The last 1200 years have been a pain for the Russian people. They just can’t catch a break when it comes to their governance

 

[Burhead]

What does that mean effectively? Is it an honorary title of some sort? Just recognition in their efforts for “the cause”?

Honorific title reserved for elite units or formations that distinguish themselves in combat.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Honorific title reserved for elite units or formations that distinguish themselves in combat.

Thank you.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The last 1200 years have been a pain for the Russian people. They just can’t catch a break when it comes to their governance

Then at this point they don’t know any different and they have no reason to act to affect change.

 

[Orangeburst]

Then at this point they don’t know any different and they have no reason to act to affect change.

we see it here regardless of how it negatively impacts one personal life

 

[volfanhill]

What does that mean effectively? Is it an honorary title of some sort? Just recognition in their efforts for “the cause”?

It's a honor reserved for those who raped the most civilians. Age and gender don't matter. Just total rapes

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Ukrainians be like:

The Russians must have a damn General factory that rolls these guys out on a conveyor belt. How can any military sustain the losses of 8 generals in 51 days? If this report is accurate.