War in Ukraine

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WoodsmanVol said:
False, I referred to the bat-wielding man in the photo, there was no "them." Get your accusation straight instead of making things up, as your feeble mind insults clearly applies to you. And as usual, guys like you just want to detour the real issue of armed insurrectionists at the Jan-6 event into an unknown wilderness so the true matter is lost into trivial tit-for-tat banter. Continue in that direction as folks like you usually do, I'm not playing that game with you. Now, proceed.
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I'm not a supporter of either side, what happened in 1-6 was bad enough. No need to embellish it as the left so often does. You are no different than the right you make fun of, literally a different side of the same fools coin. But go ahead and assume I'm some right supporting fool. I support neither party, just a spectator watching fools argue which side is worse playing whataboutisms and claiming righteousness.

Carry on
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Then why did he wait until the 2014 coup to start annexing? The events in Kiev are the drivers to all of this. You all seem to want to ignore that.
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No man, that evil greedy ba$tard Putin just wants resource rich eastern Ukraine and he was willing to massacre innocents to get it...new talking points have been uploaded to the NPCs
 
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volgr said:
No man, that evil greedy ba$tard Putin just wants resource rich eastern Ukraine and he was willing to massacre innocents to get it...new talking points have been uploaded to the NPCs
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What do think he is doing? Humanitarian aid to Ukraine and killing Nazis at the expense of thousands of Russian troops and billions of dollars of equipment all of the kindness of his heart? You are truly dense 😂
 
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landscapingvol said:
Both, the people of Japan were embracing the notion of dying for the emperor for the most part. Operation Downfall would have resulted in millions of casualties and there was no alternative. Germany is a complex issue but they would not come to the negotiating table and had to take drastic measures. I wish it had never came to that
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Kamakazi (sic?) pilots were actually forced into service. There were also groups of Germans that made overtures to the Allied powers to assassinate Hitler and were rebuffed by allied leadership.
 
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midnight orange said:
Kamakazi (sic?) pilots were actually forced into service. There were also groups of Germans that made overtures to the Allied powers to assassinate Hitler and were rebuffed by allied leadership.
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Not talking about kamikaze pilots, I am talking about the Japanese defense force arming civilians with spears, and other weapons to fight the allies. Japanese infantrymen frequently committed bonsai charges and mass suicides at the hands of defeat. This core Shinto belief of honor and emperor worship went much deeper than Kamikaze attacks. As for the Germans, the US had to strike at the core of German military production including the workers themselves. Whether we agree with it or not, the German citizens themselves bear the ultimate responsibility for following Hitler into the abyss and bore the consequences of it.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Not talking about kamikaze pilots, I am talking about the Japanese defense force arming civilians with spears, and other weapons to fight the allies. Japanese infantrymen frequently committed bonsai charges and mass suicides at the hands of defeat. This core Shinto belief of honor and emperor worship went much deeper than Kamikaze attacks. As for the Germans, the US had to strike at the core of German military production including the workers themselves. Whether we agree with it or not, the German citizens themselves bear the ultimate responsibility for following Hitler into the abyss and bore the consequences of it.
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Well it didn’t work. German war production was not only unharmed but continued to increase throughout the war and no, it is morally wrong to bomb citizens because of their leader. That’s a neocon conversation framer. I’m no more responsible for what Joe Biden does than I am for making sure the tides run on time.
 
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volgr said:
Mexico is invading us.
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No, go back and review the premise I was responding to.

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I was reading this wrong, I imagined a? In your post that wasn't there.

But it does go further to refute your esteemed colleagues position we would react similarly to Mexico as Russia did to Ukraine. We've been invaded, shot at, had military incursions on US soil from Mexico, yet no invasion.
 
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midnight orange said:
Well it didn’t work. German war production was not only unharmed but continued to increase throughout the war and no, it is morally wrong to bomb citizens because of their leader. That’s a neocon conversation framer. I’m no more responsible for what Joe Biden does than I am for making sure the tides run on time.
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German war production did not increase throughout the war. Yes, our early bombing campaigns were terribly ran and we picked the wrong targets but once we figured out the key was bearings we decimated war production.

There are no morals in total war, there is only winning or subjection.
 
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hog88 said:
German war production did not increase throughout the war. Yes, our early bombing campaigns were terribly ran and we picked the wrong targets but once we figured out the key was bearings we decimated war production.

There are no morals in total war, there is only winning or subjection.
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Darn Hog you were doing so well there until you said the ball bearing raids had a major effect on German war production. It really didn't. Besides, our losses on the Schweinfurt and Regensburg were so horrific I don't think we ever went back in force. But their production numbers dropped when we decimated their cities, even with them using slave labor. It seems people don't work well when they have nowhere to live and no food to eat.

They were using horses at the end to move men and material.
 
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