War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
Yes, the 2A is the same as the govt indiscriminately handing out mass amounts of guns.
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I didn't say it was the same, just noting you not being a fan of an armed population or well regulated militia - in this case.
 
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utvolpj said:
Whine is the word you choose? A country is attacking another and killing civilians. How about you stop supporting and justifying the attack?
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Whine is the perfect word. If you are worried about civilian casualties, maybe dont justify a govt encouraging guerrila warfare among the citizenry or a military embedding itself in civilian infrastructure. Or be consistent and say it is wrong, but you won't.
 
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volgr said:
Geez dude. If a Ukrainian citizen wants to fight, more power to them, join the military. You support a govt encouraging guerilla warfare by their citizens? They'll be slaughtered. Come on.
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One of the most moronic statements you have ever made, you mean like the successful guerilla warfare strategies in nearly every war implemented?
 
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volgr said:
Whine is the perfect word. If you are worried about civilian casualties, maybe dont justify a govt encouraging guerrila warfare among the citizenry or a military embedding itself in civilian infrastructure. Or be consistent and say it is wrong, but you won't.
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Guerilla warfare is a reaction to being invaded. Maybe don't invade and you won't kill civilians? Nah, that makes too much sense
 
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South Ossetia is taking steps to formally join the Russian Federation according to the leader of that separatist area. Also Russia had two planes with nukes onboard violating Swedish airspace awhile back.
 
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Septic said:
We agree.

It can't be. Russian soldiers don't even have enough food to feed themselves. Forgive us for not applauding a photo op of these bozos 'fixing" a problem they created.
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Food lines. Welcome back, we are glad you accepted our invitation to the reformed Soviet Union.
 
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What if Putin Didn’t Miscalculate?

One person's theory -

"Suppose for a moment that Putin never intended to conquer all of Ukraine: that, from the beginning, his real targets were the energy riches of Ukraine’s east, which contain Europe’s second-largest known reserves of natural gas (after Norway’s).

Combine that with Russia’s previous territorial seizures in Crimea (which has huge offshore energy fields) and the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk (which contain part of an enormous shale-gas field), as well as Putin’s bid to control most or all of Ukraine’s coastline, and the shape of Putin’s ambitions become clear. He’s less interested in reuniting the Russian-speaking world than he is in securing Russia’s energy dominance."
 
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USF grad in TN said:
What if Putin Didn’t Miscalculate?

One person's theory -

"Suppose for a moment that Putin never intended to conquer all of Ukraine: that, from the beginning, his real targets were the energy riches of Ukraine’s east, which contain Europe’s second-largest known reserves of natural gas (after Norway’s).

Combine that with Russia’s previous territorial seizures in Crimea (which has huge offshore energy fields) and the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk (which contain part of an enormous shale-gas field), as well as Putin’s bid to control most or all of Ukraine’s coastline, and the shape of Putin’s ambitions become clear. He’s less interested in reuniting the Russian-speaking world than he is in securing Russia’s energy dominance."
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I believe that is the most likely reason for the invasion but Putin can’t come out and say “I’m stealing my neighbors gas”.
 
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USF grad in TN said:
What if Putin Didn’t Miscalculate?

One person's theory -

"Suppose for a moment that Putin never intended to conquer all of Ukraine: that, from the beginning, his real targets were the energy riches of Ukraine’s east, which contain Europe’s second-largest known reserves of natural gas (after Norway’s).

Combine that with Russia’s previous territorial seizures in Crimea (which has huge offshore energy fields) and the eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk (which contain part of an enormous shale-gas field), as well as Putin’s bid to control most or all of Ukraine’s coastline, and the shape of Putin’s ambitions become clear. He’s less interested in reuniting the Russian-speaking world than he is in securing Russia’s energy dominance."
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Very believable. Need to kill a few thousand civilians, create millions of refugees, level some cities, so be it.
 
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Maybe the closest we ever came to WWIII was the time the Russian early warning system interpreted a Norwegian Scientific sounding research rocket as an attack. Thankfully we had Boris Yeltsin in possession of the Russian football at the time or none of us would be here today. He defied the generals’ demands to launch a strike. 🎵🎶Mister we could use a man like Boris Yeltsin again 🎵🎶 Brilliantly covered here by the Ylvis brothers

 
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McDad said:
Do me a favor...you haven't scolded me in a long time. You used to scold me a lot when we were younger. I'm beginning to think you don't care anymore. Can you scold me occasionally to remind me how we used to be?
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I was asked to stop. McRib told me only she is allowed to call you a bad boy. She says it's the way you both like it.
 
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McDad said:
I will let it go. You do not want to answer in a way that sheds light on how you think. It leaves me unable to understand your support of Putin's verbal stance against cultural decay. It is a small matter, though.

Moving on.
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I have been over, and over, and over this multiple times. I've said he is not perfect, but he is fighting entities that are not just destroying our country morally... these guys are destroying us economically, militarily, demographically... they are killing us on all important fronts. These people, if they are successful in Ukraine, will empower them and lead to them moving their influence to one of the last places on earth that is pushing against them and their agenda.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Completely different time and era, America should never apologize for Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or Tokyo. Both of those nations brought it on themselves. Technology was much different, accurate aerial bombing was inadequate at best. You are comparing apples to oranges
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Was it the people of Germany and Japan or was it the Nazi leadership?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Was it the people of Germany and Japan or was it the Nazi leadership?
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Both, the people of Japan were embracing the notion of dying for the emperor for the most part. Operation Downfall would have resulted in millions of casualties and there was no alternative. Germany is a complex issue but they would not come to the negotiating table and had to take drastic measures. I wish it had never came to that
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes, Dresden targeted civilians. So now you understand it was wrong?

Edit to add on another response. Who was the aggressor in that campaign? Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not it's an important factor.
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You get it. You just said the key distinction. Although, I would hope that you would walk that back, because not even I believed that the bombing campaign was meant to "target" civilians, but then again that place was leveled.

Also, the aggressors were the same aggressors that have been shelling the Donbas for the past 8 years... the Kiev regime.
 
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Burhead said:
South Ossetia is taking steps to formally join the Russian Federation according to the leader of that separatist area. Also Russia had two planes with nukes onboard violating Swedish airspace awhile back.
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Makes sense. North Ossetia is already in Russia so this would help unite the racial, ethnic group known as Ossetians in that area.
 
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hog88 said:
Were they occupied? I've seen propaganda from both sides.
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In Mariupol they certainly were. And in Odessa, they were collecting in a school. Not sure if the school was in session or not, but still the idea of using a school opens the door for Western propaganda.

"Look at this school that just got destroyed..."
 
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