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jakez4ut said:
I still think Michigan,from a match up Sandpoint, was very unique in terms of what types of teams we've been playing in conf.

While we've played bigs, good ones, we didn't see anyone like Dickinson and certainly didn't play anyone that defended life Michigan did.

I think it just turns out...they were a bad match up for us.
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The minute I saw the bracket, I figured Michigan would ride the narrative, and that would be a go-hard or go-home point for us. We have smart coaches and players. I'm sure they knew what Michigan's plan would be and what we'd need to do to counter. We had open looks and couldn't make the shots. Despite everything-- bad matchup, bad officiating, bad history-- it was a winnable game. We didn't seize the opportunity, and Michigan did.

It was a good run and fun while it lasted. Goodbye, basketball; hello, baseball.
 
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Volator said:
Would also add Olivier N to the development list. He showed significant progress this year and think he will continue to work. Wonder if Powell and Bailey return as I could see both leaving which would open a couple of spots for transfers.
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Ahh yes forgot bout him
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Maybe we should do that team bonding crap UGA football did.
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Lol.

I actually think this is the first year Barnes has had the right approach to the season as a whole. And I believe if he keeps that approach we will eventually have things line up for us the way they did when Bruce made his Elite Eight here.

The one thing I hope doesn’t happen is Barnes taking the wrong lesson from this early exit and going back to killing his teams during the regular season.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
There’s no question we carry our history into that tournament. Whether it’s when we get seeded, the officials, our own team’s confidence, or confidence of other teams against us. Over the decades it has just sort of snowballed into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But here’s the good news: we carried the same kind of history into our conference tournament, and we finally got over that hill. So at least there’s hope.
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Just like the Florida game in football. It's not random bad luck. It's a pattern that UT has perpetuated until it became self-fulfilling. If we control it, we can fix it-- clearly, not easily but absolutely.
 
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LA Vol said:
Just like the Florida game in football. It's not random bad luck. It's a pattern that UT has perpetuated until it became self-fulfilling. If we control it, we can fix it-- clearly, not easily but absolutely.
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Not pointing at you in particular just using your post to point this out. But this is why Barnes history matters wether its Providence, Clemson, Texas, or TN. Early exits are a pattern with him, which goes back to my earlier post, there is something he does or doesnt do that causes him to have this bad luck. Besides injury theres always things that can be looked at and improved upon.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Not pointing at you in particular just using your post to point this out. But this is why Barnes history matters wether its Providence, Clemson, Texas, or TN. Early exits are a pattern with him, which goes back to my earlier post, there is something he does or doesnt do that causes him to have this bad luck. Besides injury theres always things that can be looked at and improved upon.
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If someone went back and evaluated every early exit for Barnes and/or UT, they'd probably find a lot of different reasons-- similar to our history of football woes. It might be a different situation every year, but when an event turns into a trend, then a trend turns into a pattern that becomes a highly publicized media narrative year after year, a mental component sets in-- that "here we go again" feeling that UT fans know well.

CRB has done a lot for UT-- as did Bruce during his time in Knoxville. I don't think Barnes brought bad luck or bad outcomes to UT, and I don't think Bruce was an outlier that caused UT fans to have unrealistically high expectations for the program. We have the resources and the commitment to be an annual championship contender. We've had injuries that held us back, critical recruiting misses and deficiencies that have been exposed when the stakes have been highest. We do have a lot to improve on-- and a lot to look forward to. (And a pattern to break next year.)
 
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Don’t know if anyone has heard anything. First I’ve seen of any “rumors” around Barnes. Very much hoping it isn’t true.
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I dont think so. Barnes comments dont make it seem likely.
I cant find his exact quote, but he basically said yesterday "This hurts, when it doesnt hurt is when its time to retire."
 
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Dudley Smith said:
The odd thing about Barnes is that, from roughly 2002-2008 he was considered a great NCAA tournament coach, going to the Sweet 16 and beyond 5 out of 7 seasons, with one FF and two EE’s. Then starting with the 2008-2009 season we get the long 1 in 10 stat we keep seeing. Not sure what changed.
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Style of play changed. It’s all about the three and guards who can shoot.
 
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LA Vol said:
If someone went back and evaluated every early exit for Barnes and/or UT, they'd probably find a lot of different reasons-- similar to our history of football woes. It might be a different situation every year, but when an event turns into a trend, then a trend turns into a pattern that becomes a highly publicized media narrative year after year, a mental component sets in-- that "here we go again" feeling that UT fans know well.

CRB has done a lot for UT-- as did Bruce during his time in Knoxville. I don't think Barnes brought bad luck or bad outcomes to UT, and I don't think Bruce was an outlier that caused UT fans to have unrealistically high expectations for the program. We have the resources and the commitment to be an annual championship contender. We've had injuries that held us back, critical recruiting misses and deficiencies that have been exposed when the stakes have been highest. We do have a lot to improve on-- and a lot to look forward to. (And a pattern to break next year.)
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Sure, but I refuse to believe a guy doing this as long as Barnes has, has just been that unlucky. I agree about resources, TN has what it takes to be good in any sport they want to be.
As for the bolded part, hopefully but I dont see it. Imo year after next might be the year still too many holes without some transfers.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:


Don’t know if anyone has heard anything. First I’ve seen of any “rumors” around Barnes. Very much hoping it isn’t true.
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I hope not. Barnes is a good coach and we could always do much worse. But if he does, I’m calling the Murray State head coach immediately and bringing him here.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Sure, but I refuse to believe a guy doing this as long as Barnes has, has just been that unlucky. I agree about resources, TN has what it takes to be good in any sport they want to be.
As for the bolded part, hopefully but I dont see it. Imo year after next might be the year still too many holes without some transfers.
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IDT Barnes or UT have been perennially unlucky. I think there have been different sets of contributing factors leading to undesirable outcomes. And I do think we need to portal shop-- in MBB and WBB. That will mean some hard decisions that may not be the UT way, especially for the LVs, but it's a faster way to get where we need to be and want to go.
 
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LA Vol said:
Does that come with a Gator win and a division title? Or are we stairstepping our milestones?
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I'll be pretty psyched if we go 8-4 and don't get curb stomped by Bama and UGA. Respectable 31-21 type losses. As long as we keep building and maintain the narrative of the up and comer.
 
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LA Vol said:
IDT Barnes or UT have been perennially unlucky. I think there have been different sets of contributing factors leading to undesirable outcomes. And I do think we need to portal shop-- in MBB and WBB. That will mean some hard decisions that may not be the UT way, especially for the LVs, but it's a faster way to get where we need to be and want to go.
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I mentioned this in the B Ball forum and people werent thrilled with it, but I agree with portal shopping. Too many non contributors and too many players needed to take huge steps to get where we want to be. I think there is a right way to portal shop, and helping those you push out find landing spots is the way to do it. Im sure Lanier, Oliver, and English wouldnt mind taking a guy or two for us.
 
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