Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Vols4us]

Also just looked at Ken Pom. We are 7, Auburn is 10.

Sort of messes up his narrative.

Again, I think in reality we have done enough to be the fourth 1 seed. Knowing agendas and politics always enter into this stuff - 2 seed in Greenville just like UT expects. They know.

 

[Brillovol]

H2H shouldn’t always matter…but when you have a logjam of three conference teams in seeding you damn well better look at H2H.

 

[VolGee4]

NET rankings disagree. As does KenPom. And every other prediction site to be found...

Should Texas be ahead of us too?

SOR is better. The NET is an index, so the Quad wins are part of the equation, and we are better there. We are better at Torvick, which I believe is also used. Then you add 2/3 head to head. The fact that we are discussing this makes it a case.

 

[Weezer]

Wow...you sound like one of us common sense folks for a change.

 

[jakez4ut]

H2H shouldn’t always matter…but when you have a logjam of three conference teams in seeding you damn well better look at H2H.

Exactly.this is all in getting at.

 

[UTJoe]

Kinda wish selection day was not same day as championship. Would be nice to sit in this DUB for a minute and ponder it instead we immediately get ticked at seeding. Refuse to be rustled, VN.

 

[VolGee4]

Um, newsflash, Tennessee was 8 in NET Rankings and Auburn was 12. Before today's game.

We also moved to 7 at KenPom and 7 at Torvick, which is one ahead of UK.

 

[Jimmy Football]

@Devo182 is Joe Lunardi. I can’t believe I’ve never seen it until now.

 

[Devo182]

How can NET rankings disagree with a hypothetical I just made up?

Because if the "situations" were switched...then UK would be lower. It's not very hypothetical if entire situations (I presume every score...every margin...every win and loss) were swapped. Statistical models don't see names on jerseys.

 

[Devo182]

@Devo182 is Joe Lunardi. I can’t believe I’ve never seen it until now.

Nooo I'm so ugly

Then again I probably get paid millions to write 15 articles a year...maybe I can make do

 

[Newman]

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

She's been told she's the best and been coddled her entire life. She hasn't been taught how to handle the negative. I don't think it's mental illness more that she needs to learn to handle people being mean to her.

I am sick of this mental illness excuse.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Because if the "situations" were switched...then UK would be lower. It's not very hypothetical if entire situations (I presume every score...every margin...every win and loss) were swapped. Statistical models don't see names on jerseys.

Statistical models don’t make the brackets…people do. Basketball people are preconditioned to favor Kentucky/Duke/etc over teams like us. And they’ll use what they need to post-hoc rationalize what they already believed.

I know you’re right about how they’re going to justify Kentucky and Duke being ahead of us. But I don’t think it’s equitable or maps to reality.

 

[SSVol]

I want to punch Joe Lunardi in the nuts.. but I'm not convinced he has any.

Joe Nonardi?

 

[Weezer]

Is it just me or is Devo completely ignoring everyone pointing out to him that we're ahead of Auburn in both the NET and KenPom rankings?

 

[jakez4ut]

Statistical models don’t make the brackets…people do. And basketball people are preconditioned to favor Kentucky/Duke/etc over teams like us. And they’ll use what they need to post-hoc rationalize what they already believed.

Which is what lunardi did in front of gawd and everybody lol

 

[jakez4ut]

Is it just me or is Devo completely ignoring everyone pointing out to him that we're ahead of Auburn in both the NET and KenPom rankings?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

These sites make no sense. How the **** is Chicago the S/16 EE site for the South

 

[Smokey123]

 

[jakez4ut]

 

[Devo182]

Auburn is ahead of us in what? The polls? They're not ahead of us in the NET rankings. They're not ahead of us in Kenpom. So what are they ahead of us in? And like I said, we beat KY 2 out of 3 times. I get what you're saying. We will get screwed. But trying to justify it is a bunch of horse ****. It just is. There is no justification. We SHOULD absolutely be the highest seeded SEC team.

I do agree with Auburn. Haven't paid much attention to them tbh.

Just remember they started absurdly high up, almost #1 overall. Now they look more like Wiscy. Afraid the standard "Wins and Loss" crowd are too high on them because they're 27-5.

The win/loss mentality is too strong for the oldheads over magins and recent wins (sad they no longer publish the "last 10" metric").

 

[Mike4Vols]

Cruising the island today. Go Vols.

 

[Pridedad]

I just don’t see how our resume isn’t objectively better than Kentucky’s at this point. We’ve beaten better teams, they’ve lost to worse teams, and we’ve got a 2 of 3 advantage head to head.

I guess the whole world has become “home wins don’t count” people.

It's not about the resumes.....it's about the team name. And they have...... I also think that is horse sh!t.

 

[Dudley Smith]

Jerry Palm now has us as a #2 seed playing Colgate in Greenville

 

[Devo182]

Wow. Iowa has one turnover at halftime.

ZZ has to take care of the ball better. Now that JJJ is playing up to his level, we can absolutely beat anyone. Just have to protect the ball. Take smart shots. Let it fly from the outside! Anything is possible.