Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Checker_the_Shire]

What's to understand? It's pretty straightforward. It's the magical timekeeping, fake injuries, and lack of scoring that makes soccer unenjoyable to me.

Thanks for proving my point. I'm not a baseball guy, but it's the same with baseball. It's so much more than just pitching a ball to a batter and hoping someone catches it. I don't understand the whole game of baseball, but I appreciate the strategy it takes to play the game.

Soccer is the same way. Where each player matters. The formations matter. It's more than just kicking the ball at the net and hope it goes in. It's literally chess on the field and if one piece screws it up, the whole battleplan is destroyed.

As for your comment, "fake injuries" (aka flopping) happens in just about every sport. However, unlike football, if it's excessive a player can--and often does--get a card (aka penalty) for it. Plus, the punishments for cards are so much more severe than football's. Sure 10 yards sucks, but imagine if we actually gave severe punishments to the players that now, instead of 10 yards, the offense or defense has to play a full man down? And regulations would make the game, especially at pro levels, so more intense! Now, instead of sucking on purpose to get good draft picks, if you suck you actually get demoted and lose $$$. I'd love to see American sports bring in regulation, at least in the NBA.

Oh and the timekeeping is pretty simple. Instead of counting down, it counts up. We play 45 minute halves, each half gets some extra time for things like cards, injuries, anything that would cause the game to slow.

Finally, the real reason soccer hasn't taken off here is because advertisers haven't figured out how to make money off the game since we can't do commercial breaks. That, more than anything, makes the game enjoyable to watch. I know if I sit down Saturday or Sunday morning for an EPL games that kicks off at 9, I'll be done watching by 11, at the latest. As opposed to football, I can start at 9 and it may be 12 or 1 before the game ends.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

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It's definitely one of these. I think I gotta go with Leonard's because it's such a bad a$$ picture. But man I just love pissing off Bamers that Gaulden's is priceless.

 

[peaygolf]

Andy Kozar's winning TD vs Texas in the Cotton Bowl

 

[volbeast33]

We're all from the Charlotte area IIRC, we can travel together lol.

Yeah, I’m about 45 minutes away in Shelby.

 

[volfaninpa]

 

[volbeast33]

It's definitely one of these. I think I gotta go with Leonard's because it's such a bad a$$ picture. But man I just love pissing off Bamers that Gaulden's is priceless.

I still find it funny that little didn’t even do anything during that play.

 

[De La Cloobs]

I still don't think anyone is aware how well Heup El and staff did considering the circumstances and what they inherited. I don't think anyone in college football has done more with less this past year.

No other coach, especially in the SEC, has been hamstrung like Heupel. A depleted roster, and sanctions that have greatly affected not 1, but 2 recruiting cycles. In terms of first year coaches, nobody has had a tougher hill to climb, yet Heup still out coached all of the them in my opinion.

I'm giving this man more time than past coaches to accomplish what he wants.

 

[engineerVOL]

I still don't think anyone is aware how well Heup El and staff did considering the circumstances and what they inherited. I don't think anyone in college football has done more with less this past year.

No other coach, especially in the SEC, has been hamstrung like Heupel. A depleted roster, and sanctions that have greatly affected not 1, but 2 recruiting cycles. In terms of first year coaches, nobody has had a tougher hill to climb, yet Heup still out coached all of the them in my opinion.

I'm giving this man more time than past coaches to accomplish what he wants.

“El Heup”…

 

[Voltime123]

I still don't think anyone is aware how well Heup El and staff did considering the circumstances and what they inherited. I don't think anyone in college football has done more with less this past year.

No other coach, especially in the SEC, has been hamstrung like Heupel. A depleted roster, and sanctions that have greatly affected not 1, but 2 recruiting cycles. In terms of first year coaches, nobody has had a tougher hill to climb, yet Heup still out coached all of the them in my opinion.

I'm giving this man more time than past coaches to accomplish what he wants.

I am cautiously optimistic for the continued rise of UT football under Heupel, im hopeful for a statistical improvement on the defense side after another year of development, I’m not worried about the offense

 

[vols 30]

I am cautiously optimistic for the continued rise of UT football under Heupel

Don't be cautious. Go all in or GTFO

 

[nicksjuzunk]

It is far, far better to give than it is to receive.

I defer to experience in this one

 

[dwaugh]

 

[Kristy*]

Thanks for proving my point. I'm not a baseball guy, but it's the same with baseball. It's so much more than just pitching a ball to a batter and hoping someone catches it. I don't understand the whole game of baseball, but I appreciate the strategy it takes to play the game.

Soccer is the same way. Where each player matters. The formations matter. It's more than just kicking the ball at the net and hope it goes in. It's literally chess on the field and if one piece screws it up, the whole battleplan is destroyed.

As for your comment, "fake injuries" (aka flopping) happens in just about every sport. However, unlike football, if it's excessive a player can--and often does--get a card (aka penalty) for it. Plus, the punishments for cards are so much more severe than football's. Sure 10 yards sucks, but imagine if we actually gave severe punishments to the players that now, instead of 10 yards, the offense or defense has to play a full man down? And regulations would make the game, especially at pro levels, so more intense! Now, instead of sucking on purpose to get good draft picks, if you suck you actually get demoted and lose $$$. I'd love to see American sports bring in regulation, at least in the NBA.

Oh and the timekeeping is pretty simple. Instead of counting down, it counts up. We play 45 minute halves, each half gets some extra time for things like cards, injuries, anything that would cause the game to slow.

Finally, the real reason soccer hasn't taken off here is because advertisers haven't figured out how to make money off the game since we can't do commercial breaks. That, more than anything, makes the game enjoyable to watch. I know if I sit down Saturday or Sunday morning for an EPL games that kicks off at 9, I'll be done watching by 11, at the latest. As opposed to football, I can start at 9 and it may be 12 or 1 before the game ends.

I'm not sure what point of yours you think I proved. . .

Clock: Why not stop the clock for injuries and such instead of leaving it to the referee's discretion? Then everyone wouldn't be in the dark as to how much time is left in the match.

Fake injuries: Why not give each team a TO per half and allow players to reenter the match once if substituted? Then players wouldn't have to act like they're on death's door to get a breather.

Low Scoring: Why not implement a shot clock (it could be a lengthy one)? That way, a team that scores first can't play keep-away for the rest of the game.

Some simple changes could make the game a lot more enjoyable IMO.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I'm not sure what point of yours you think I proved. . .

Clock: Why not stop the clock for injuries and such instead of leaving it to the referee's discretion? Then everyone wouldn't be in the dark as to how much time is left in the match.

Fake injuries: Why not give each team a TO per half and allow players to reenter the match once if substituted? Then players wouldn't have to act like they're on death's door to get a breather.

Low Scoring: Why not implement a shot clock (it could be a lengthy one)? That way, a team that scores first can't play keep-away for the rest of the game.

Some simple changes could make the game a lot more enjoyable IMO.

I mean...most of those changes are to make it more like other sports.

I don't like stopping the clock for injuries, I think a running clock is part of the appeal for the sport personally. I do think a TO for each team would be a good option though, the other things I wouldn't incorporate.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Both offenses start at the 20 in college for a few possessions

They do for 2 possessions. The second possession you have to attempt a 2 point conversion. After that, Each teams goes for a 2 point conversion until someone misses. It becomes a contest of who has the most 2 point plays that are successful. Football should not degrade to 2 point conversions.

 

[BigSteve09]

I still find it funny that little didn’t even do anything during that play.

I thought it was on a big hit in the SEC CG?

edit: oh you're right it was the safety coming up and making the hit while he was standing there. haha

by the way, watching the highlights again, it's funny how far replay has come

on the Nash fumble scoop n score (Auburn 1st TD), I'm pretty sure his knee was down. On the 2nd Auburn TD (bomb catch), the receiver is obviously down a yard short but they called it a TD in real-time. Both would have been reviewed for 20 minutes each, at least the 2nd one would have been overturned.

i also forgot how bad we tried to give that game away, yeesh

 

[Kristy*]

I mean...most of those changes are to make it more like other sports.

I don't like stopping the clock for injuries, I think a running clock is part of the appeal for the sport personally. I do think a TO for each team would be a good option though, the other things I wouldn't incorporate.

I think making it a little more like other sports is an improvement. But, like Invol said, to each their own.

I would be for the running clock for most of the game, but not for the long delays ("injuries"/water breaks). Then we would know exactly how much time is left, and there would be no need to add any time at the ends of the halves.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

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[BucVol98]

They do for 2 possessions. The second possession you have to attempt a 2 point conversion. After that, Each teams goes for a 2 point conversion until someone misses. It becomes a contest of who has the most 2 point plays that are successful. Football should not degrade to 2 point conversions.

Still better than "whoever wins the toss wins the game 80% of the time"

 

[volbeast33]

I thought it was on a big hit in the SEC CG?

by the way, watching the highlights again, it's funny how far replay has come

on the Nash fumble scoop n score (Auburn 1st TD), I'm pretty sure his knee was down. On the 2nd Auburn TD (bomb catch), the receiver is obviously down a yard short but they called it a TD in real-time. Both would have been reviewed for 20 minutes each, at least the 2nd one would have been overturned.

i also forgot how bad we tried to give that game away, yeesh

It was on a big hit but by a DB…. Can’t remember which one just heard little talk about it.

 

[drvenner]

That’s the greatest catch of all time. I said it. Super contested, game on the line, everyone knew it was coming, he wasn’t even supposed to be there. Frickin poetry. It’s beautiful. Just look at it.

You left out the part about all of those Georgia tears. All. OF. Them.

 

[BigSteve09]

It was on a big hit but by a DB…. Can’t remember which one just heard little talk about it.

Gaines! And I think it was a dead play lmao

2:17:35





speaking of badasses in the secondary, check out the play at 2:05:30

I miss having dudes that would light someone up like that. hit the wrong guy hard enough that he knocked the ball out of the right guy's hands

 

[Devo182]

I'm not sure what point of yours you think I proved. . .

Clock: Why not stop the clock for injuries and such instead of leaving it to the referee's discretion? Then everyone wouldn't be in the dark as to how much time is left in the match.

Fake injuries: Why not give each team a TO per half and allow players to reenter the match once if substituted? Then players wouldn't have to act like they're on death's door to get a breather.

Low Scoring: Why not implement a shot clock (it could be a lengthy one)? That way, a team that scores first can't play keep-away for the rest of the game.

Some simple changes could make the game a lot more enjoyable IMO.

"Keep away" isn't used that much at all. To even be comfortable you have to be up at least 2 goals anyway and at the highest levels players are just too good at attacking and pressuring, then they can have a steal near your goal.

I mean, some (Germany) can do it well. But take the US. We're awful at it imo, so we tend to just push it. As do most other teams.

But I'd guess what appears as "keep away" 75% of the time is in actuality just setting up an attack.

But I digress...the low scoring nature is what makes it so insanely tense at all times. Because you have shot after shot and so many close moments...then boom! Just watch 1 USA/Mexico match and try not to fall in love.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think making it a little more like other sports is an improvement. But, like Invol said, to each their own.

I would be for the running clock for most of the game, but not for the long delays ("injuries"/water breaks). Then we would know exactly how much time is left, and there would be no need to add any time at the ends of the halves.

I mean outside the US of A it's the largest sport in the world, so you're definitely in the minority on that.

Yeah long delays suck, but I think stopping the clock just drags out things more. At least with adding time you know it amps up the intensity a bit.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Clemson took a commitment from Kylin Griffin - Jourdan Thomas’s hs teammate and someone we offered but didn’t really pursue because he was down the board for us.

Further proof their era of dominance is over and theyre regressing.