Warren Burrell, Refs, and Tim Banks

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#101
hog88 said:
I can agree with most of this. It all boils down to our DC needs to be gone.
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Disagree. I’m not holding him up as a sure thing but let’s see what he does with more bodies before we go cutting him. We had moments of good play and good schemes, like holding Ole Miss to 7 in the second half, so I don’t know if Banks is the problem or severely limited personnel is the problem or maybe even a mixture. We need more time to know. Banks did well at times.
 
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#102
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hog88 said:
You bet on this game? Come on man, you’re smarter than that.
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You can’t ever bet on the Vols. Never, not on the game line anyway. The over seemed like an easy bet and it turned out to be, although with 6 minutes left even that was still in doubt.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
If the defense doesn't give up monster td play after monster td play we win going away. Next year we need massive massive improvement on defense and the OL in run blocking short yardage.
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The 3rd and 4th and short play calling is really the main overall coaching gripe I have with this season. It quickly became obvious what play we would run and by God we ran it every single time save maybe twice all year. We were successful about 5-10% of the time if I had to guess. It was pathetic and we NEVER adjusted.

The other main issue for me was play calling and clock management in drives where we had little time left before the half or at the end of the game. I can only think of 1 game where the play calls or clock management when we had one of those drives wasn’t a problem and that Ole Miss. In that one we, instead, had a player problem as he ran out of bounds.

Overall the staff did decently well this year with what they had.
 
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The Original Fade said:
The refs didn’t call two back to back bombs with seconds remaining in regulation. All we needed was a couple of 7 yard out routes and we are in good field goal range to win the game. But Heupel, not the refs, called two downfield go routes to Tillman
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Didn’t have to be out routes. We were gashing them over the middle and had a TO. I was mad the first one they threw. The fact they did it again was unbelievable.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The play and the result aren’t always the same. For example what should have been a Jeremy Banks interception was a perfect play call but ended in a decent play (deflection) instead of a great play (interception). Just like when Heupel calls the perfect play and we drop the pass or overthrow it.

You have to separate end result and play calling if you’re truly attempting to evaluate play calling
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If he picks that and keeps his footing he scores, call was perfect.
 
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DaddyChad said:
If he picks that and keeps his footing he scores, call was perfect.
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Had a lot of those perfect calls on offense too that ended in nothing. We’ve got to recruit guys now who can make those plays. Defense especially lacks difference makers.
 
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kell7517 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong. But didn’t the last time we had Willie Martinez coaching our DB’s we complained because they couldn’t/wouldn’t get their heads turned around? We have him back again and Burrell exemplified that technique again tonight.
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You are correct.

He was here under Lyle and it was the same thing.

Keep him around for recruiting but go find an analyst/grad assistant/whatever they want to call it to help teach technique.

Jackson and Taylor were the only two DBs that were remotely consistent this year.
 
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#109
Yeah there was some bad reffing but you can't have WR's open as much as Purdue's were last night...even more frustrating was WR's with 3 DB's around him but still with tons of cushion the ball was easily catchable by the WR.

TN needs to not take anymore offense guys for the 2022 class unless they're studs and take nothing but D guys. We got some DB's that shouldn't see the field next year unless it's trash time and the game is too far out of reach...
I'm not sure what Banks was calling last night for those guys to be so open but he needs to take that out of the playbook...man that was rough
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Yeah there was some bad reffing but you can't have WR's open as much as Purdue's were last night...even more frustrating was WR's with 3 DB's around him but still with tons of cushion the ball was easily catchable by the WR.

TN needs to not take anymore offense guys for the 2022 class unless they're studs and take nothing but D guys. We got some DB's that shouldn't see the field next year unless it's trash time and the game is too far out of reach...
I'm not sure what Banks was calling last night for those guys to be so open but he needs to take that out of the playbook...man that was rough
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To be fair, whenever we pressed they called PI damn near every time. And you had Burrell out there that got burnt on the long TD play where he just got pushed off then fell down. They let the wrs play physical but didn’t allow DBs to press in that game. The spots were terrible as well for us. Watched it back and it was just worse than I thought the first time I watched it.
 
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Vol524 said:
I just wish the PI calls were ALL called. Purdue was just as guilty and not one flag.
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I think got away with the long ball to Tillman late in the fourth but I don’t think they were as careless as Burrell was.
 
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1985Vols said:
When your offense scores 45 points, it should be more than enough to win the game. We could have taken Powell High Schools defense to the game and done just as well
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I've already addressed this in another reply to someone else
 
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volfeeva said:
Once you see how the ref's are calling the game, you can't grab them even a little bit. I'm trying to remember, but every call on him for interference was legit. Someone needs to coach him when you're beat, the only thing you can do is try to tackle and dislodge the ball....or hope they don't catch it. He seemed undersized, and not able to adjust to game conditions.
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Where was the call on Tillman where he ran by his guy then the corner grabbed his jersey and clearly pulled it away from his body? Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV seen it. They even replayed it and it was clear as day. Fant had a PI on him in the 4th that wasn’t called. And I’m. It convinced we committed 15 penalties while Purdue only had 4.
 
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Orange Death said:
The entire country agrees on something, but nope. You’re right and everyone else is wrong. I’m sure it’s lovely hanging out with you.
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Yep. It was the refs that caused our offense to go stagnant in the second quarter. It was the refs that caused Hooker to miss 2 TDs. It was the refs that let average WRs torch our secondary all day long. It was the refs that caused us to have little to no significant pass rush. It was the refs that caused us to not tackle properly. It was the refs that allowed our OL to get abused by PERDUES DL.

But yeah you are right. This game was ALL because of the refs. We played excellent and the refs blew it. I know what happened. Saban called up the refs and paid them off. Yep that’s it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The play and the result aren’t always the same. For example what should have been a Jeremy Banks interception was a perfect play call but ended in a decent play (deflection) instead of a great play (interception). Just like when Heupel calls the perfect play and we drop the pass or overthrow it.

You have to separate end result and play calling if you’re truly attempting to evaluate play calling
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^^^^^^^This people. If you dont know or havent played real football please dont trash our coach needlessly.

BOTH of the pkays where Hooker threw incomplete bombs down the sideline were 4 WR sets with THREE RECEIVERS to the OTHER side of the field. Both of them. Watch the tape. HOOKER CHOSE to throw the bomb BOTH TIMES instead of short or intermediate passes to ANY of the other 3 WR running routes on the opposite side of the field.

Coach didnt make those (non) reads. Hooker went for the TD 2 plays in a row when all we needed was 7 to 10 yards for a game winning FG.....and I love Hooker. He has been a blessing to us all year.

Sadly those who ignorantly blame Coach for bad reads/situational awareness influence the opinions of OTHER UT FANS who also never played or coached football....thereby laying blame where it doesnt belong.

Learn how football really works. Or stop publicly blaming people.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Didn’t have to be out routes. We were gashing them over the middle and had a TO. I was mad the first one they threw. The fact they did it again was unbelievable.
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Again guys...and there are many, not pointing at you Butch...the playcall had 4WR in the pattern. Trips left and 1WR on a go route to the right side....BOTH times.

The Coach didnt fixate on 1WR to the right and ignore the 3WR to his left. TWICE. Hooker did that. Coach was pissed both times, especially after the jersey grab. WATCH the replays.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
^^^^^^^This people. If you dont know or havent played real football please dont trash our coach needlessly.

BOTH of the pkays where Hooker threw incomplete bombs down the sideline were 4 WR sets with THREE RECEIVERS to the OTHER side of the field. Both of them. Watch the tape. HOOKER CHOSE to throw the bomb BOTH TIMES instead of short or intermediate passes to ANY of the other 3 WR running routes on the opposite side of the field.

Coach didnt make those (non) reads. Hooker went for the TD 2 plays in a row when all we needed was 7 to 10 yards for a game winning FG.....and I love Hooker. He has been a blessing to us all year.

Sadly those who ignorantly blame Coach for bad reads/situational awareness influence the opinions of OTHER UT FANS who also never played or coached football....thereby laying blame where it doesnt belong.

Learn how football really works. Or stop publicly blaming people.
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We don't know what the primary read was for both plays, but it was likely the downfield play.

"Go for the fly route if it's there, otherwise checkdown to get yards". That's my guess on how those plays were designed.

The fly route was wide open both times and Hooker missed the pass both times. That's 100% on Hooker. Coach made the right playcall, WR ran his route, QB missed his throw on something that should have been rudimentary.

It's incredibly frustrating to see Purdue trot a walk-on out there and have him make legit NFL caliber throws to a TE with a pot belly and a geriatric with no knees time and time again yet we can't get a QB to consistently hit a wide open fly route on an open receiver.

I swear... I've never seen any other team CONSISTENTLY fail to hit open WRs more than us. That is why we're 7-6 though and not 11-2. Hooker is good, but if he was even 50% on those deep passes he'd have been great.

Their DC wasn't wrong with his comments. Hooker just hits 25% which is better than the 0% we were getting with Milton.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
If he is starting next season secondary will still suck. He is just a penalty machine in coverage.
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We can have 5 DBs out there and 4 could be All-Americans. So long as we have a certain someone, DCs are going to zero in on him and pick on him next year just like this year.

Taylor was solid and generally didn't get picked on at all. Why throw his way when you have another CB that consistently is burned or committing PI?
 
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