Warren Burrell, Refs, and Tim Banks

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Correct me if I’m wrong. But didn’t the last time we had Willie Martinez coaching our DB’s we complained because they couldn’t/wouldn’t get their heads turned around? We have him back again and Burrell exemplified that technique again tonight.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You should never lose a game where you score 45 points in regulation. You sure as hell shouldn't turn around and blame that offense.
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I agree the defense played horrible but if the offense makes a few routine plays and we make smarter playcalls in some situations, we win the game. I've already documented how screwed we are at CB next year. We need to use more over and under fronts too. Too many big runs in the A gaps.
 
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MADISONGAVOL said:
Finally, some one else not wearing orange glasses. Its on players. And this offense cannot continue to put up 0 points in 2nd quarter. Wth
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Agree. It seems like people don’t want to blame players at all. It’s all coaching. It’s not coaching when the offense, that’s been prolific all year, can’t score in the second quarter. It’s not coaching when guys can’t tackle or shed blocks.

Heupel definitely deserves blame for this game. So does the entire staff. But plenty of players deserve blame as well.
 
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Vol865 said:
I agree the defense played horrible but if the offense makes a few routine plays and we make smarter playcalls in some situations, we win the game. I've already documented how screwed we are at CB next year. We need to use more over and under fronts too. Too many big runs in the A gaps.
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If the defense doesn't give up monster td play after monster td play we win going away. Next year we need massive massive improvement on defense and the OL in run blocking short yardage.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Agree. It seems like people don’t want to blame players at all. It’s all coaching. It’s not coaching when the offense, that’s been prolific all year, can’t score in the second quarter. It’s not coaching when guys can’t tackle or shed blocks.

Heupel definitely deserves blame for this game. So does the entire staff. But plenty of players deserve blame as well.
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It's a combination of both. Players and coaches took their foot off the gas. It's happened multiple times. We get a big lead and they act like they won the game after a quarter.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
If the defense doesn't give up monster td play after monster td play we win going away. Next year we need massive massive improvement on defense and the OL in run blocking short yardage.
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Football is a complimentary sport. If one side of the ball isn't executing. It affects the other. Defense also gave the Offense 3 turnovers that they did nothing with and Hendon fumbled the ball on our end of the field right before half because the OT didn't protect him. There were also 2 other fumbles that could've been at the very least not a loss of yardage.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
When you score 45, the game should be put away. It's crazy high expectations to have an offense that has to very nearly score every time it touches the football to win a game.
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Bama and LSU did it. Like I said had Hooker connected on the 2 TDs he missed, we likely aren’t having this conversation. But the defense was atrocious.
 
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SuggsOrMatthews said:
No. This game should have been over well before OT. The D just consistently gave up big plays and displayed piss poor technique by way of tackling and angles taken.

As @Vol865 mentioned and I’ll gladly concede, the O did nothing to help this.
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No excuses for the D in general, but the O left a few TDs on the field. This game should've been over in the 4th quarter, at least.
 
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AllVols said:
I do expect to see Burrell hitting the portal, because I would think we will be recruiting over him.
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If you remember when Burrell was a freshmen Pruitt was hyping him up during fall camp saying we didn’t really need Bryce Thompson when Thompson was suspended . He was so wrong, Burrell has struggled to say the least his entire career. Some of the calls tonight were questionable, but Burrell never gets his head around to find the ball, which opens you up to a lot of pi calls.
 
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orchidvol said:
The officials threw this game, not the people you mentioned.
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The refs didn’t call two back to back bombs with seconds remaining in regulation. All we needed was a couple of 7 yard out routes and we are in good field goal range to win the game. But Heupel, not the refs, called two downfield go routes to Tillman
 
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SuggsOrMatthews said:
And I don’t disagree with that at all, but the crux of most of the D’s shortcomings were technique and scheming, rather than them being gassed.

To your point though, this offense isn’t conducive to an overly successful D in general, but it can’t be as pitiful as it was tonight.
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Most of it was the inability of a couple of DBs who can not even tackle a dummy most of the time they were in position to make the play and just couldn’t get it done. They do spend too much of their time try to take the ball away instead of putting the receiver on the ground. The Oline could not make any holes on short yardage plays We missed Mays more than people will admit. All in all, we lost the game when the offense went to sleep for about two quarters. We knew we were eat in the defensive and a couple of LB positions, be I though/hope the offense would carry us.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Bama and LSU did it. Like I said had Hooker connected on the 2 TDs he missed, we likely aren’t having this conversation. But the defense was atrocious.
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He's talking about crazy expectations, and your rebuttal is to mention the two most prolific teams / offenses in college football history?

I think you proved his point for him.
 
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The Original Fade said:
The refs didn’t call two back to back bombs with seconds remaining in regulation. All we needed was a couple of 7 yard out routes and we are in good field goal range to win the game. But Heupel, not the refs, called two downfield go routes to Tillman
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The refs missed the call on the 4th down run and did not have the guts to review the play. Several mistakes were made by the refs and most were in favor of Perdue. I usually don’t call out the refs but they diverse the boot tonight.
 
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The Original Fade said:
The refs didn’t call two back to back bombs with seconds remaining in regulation. All we needed was a couple of 7 yard out routes and we are in good field goal range to win the game. But Heupel, not the refs, called two downfield go routes to Tillman
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You don’t know that the Coach made those calls. HH may have made the reads according to the coverage. Should have been a holding call on the second one. We would have been in decent FG position at that point…
 
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rocketskates said:
Lot of BS penalties, a lot of quick series for the offense which puts more pressure on the defense, facing a veteran QB with limited personnel, etc etc. Sucks to lose, we should’ve won. That final series was completely mishandled.

That being said if not for Banks and the rest of the staff we wouldn’t have even gone to a bowl game. I think he did a solid job this season with what he had. This was the most fun I’ve had watching Tennessee football in a long time. If you aren’t on board with this team and staff kick rocks.
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Agreed. Nice post.


Vol8188 said:
You only have 11 guys. Do you want to send pressure or help Burrell? That was his problem. He had 2 corners who both needed help and a d line that couldn’t get pressure and LBs who couldn’t cover.

If you send 6, you can’t help anyone (5 wrs to cover=11 players) . If you send 5 you can help one of them. If you send 4 you can help both of them.

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This guy coaches ball/and or played enough growing up to understand scheme. Every word is true. We had 3 picks and dropped a 4th...we should have won this game by 3TDS and had 35 or 42pts at HALF TIME. We abandoned the run frequently despite PU being inable to stop it....Hooker missed wide open WR for likely TDs on 3 drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarters due to terribly inaccurate passes (he never does that, thus the 31TDs vs 3INT this year) and we had a drive killing personal foul, hold by Carvin, hold by Spraggins which killed 3 other drives. Offense sheit the bed against the WORST passing defense we faced all year. We should have hung 63 points on them at a minimum with all our advantages and SPEED.



His play calls alone should’ve lead to 2 interceptions because of how he disguised the pressure (J Banks dropped 1).

The problem is no one was making a play. D Line did nothing. LBs couldn’t cover. DBs couldn’t cover. It was a mess.
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This is also true other than the 3 picks ...but we got absolutely HOSED by refs that refused to let us win...and if yall folks didnt know the fix was in before that garbage in OT then yall werent paying attention. Off the top of my head:

16 flags on us to 5 on them?

ZERO holding calls on PU....several OBVIOUS holds on big plays too...

6 pass interference on UT...

Obvious NO CALL on pass int for the jersey pull that should have made our FG in last seconds from about 40yards vs 56yds....should have never been an OT....

Then of course that game deciding BS call when the entire ball completely crossed the goal line before the whistle blew...which the TV guys proved 2 or 3 times....

Crooked azz refs had big money on this game. Shameful. Shameful.
 
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The Original Fade said:
The refs didn’t call two back to back bombs with seconds remaining in regulation. All we needed was a couple of 7 yard out routes and we are in good field goal range to win the game. But Heupel, not the refs, called two downfield go routes to Tillman
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I understand your reasoning but if the idiotic officiating was even kind of neutral we don't even need those points. Heupel was trying to be aggressive on the calls you're referring to. If I remember right receivers were open on both plays but overthrown a little. If Hooker hits one of those we're not having this conversation.

I have no problem admitting when Tennessee is outplayed by a better opponent. They played hard this year but were outplayed by better teams like Alabama, Georgia, & Florida. Pitt is a decent team too. That was not the case tonight though. Purdue played hard but just isn't a good team. They were assisted up and down the field by the embarrassingly lopsided ACC officiating. That's what I have a problem with.
 
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kell7517 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong. But didn’t the last time we had Willie Martinez coaching our DB’s we complained because they couldn’t/wouldn’t get their heads turned around? We have him back again and Burrell exemplified that technique again tonight.
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Yep same Willie.
 
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