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Devo182 said:
Good lawd. Do you know how big of a piece of their recruiting puzzle he was? How big a part of..their program...he was? All you have to do was read their board in recent years.

Did Oregon just hire, as their HC, a useless clipboard holding intern? Of course not haha

We should all be happy.
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Devo182 said:
You're missing how big he was. Find some GA fans and ask them.

Do you seriously think Oregon would hire Golesh? There's your answer.
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I must’ve missed where Georgia’s defense went from pedestrian to elite when Lanning took over for Mel. Or when they changed schemes. Or when their recruiting made a huge jump when Lanning took over. Nothing has changed. Georgia will still pull away from us in the 2nd half bc they out talent us. Kirby’s defense will continue being elite. His recruiting still tops. And you totally whiffed on the Golesh analogy. Congrats.
 
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This is another opinion I have, and im sure you all will love it as well. But honestly the best thing for sports would be to have it bubble popped. Have the market reset itsself in a way. With that being said too many, including myself are too invested at this point to give it up.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I must’ve missed where Georgia’s defense went from pedestrian to elite when Lanning took over for Mel. Or when they changed schemes. Or when their recruiting made a huge jump when Lanning took over. Nothing has changed. Georgia will still pull away from us in the 2nd half bc they out talent us. Kirby’s defense will continue being elite. His recruiting still tops. And you totally whiffed on the Golesh analogy. Congrats.
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Plug and play.
 
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Weezer said:
Bowls have always been meaningless unless you were in title contention. But the extra practice time is great for developing guys.
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Thats just false. Bowls used to be awesome before the playoffs. Pride was on the line. Respect was on the line. Nobody opt’d out of a Peach Bowl or Sugar Bowl 15 years ago.
 
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JT3 said:
Nope. Just like it doesn't bother me know that AT is not paying this year.

If we playing in the playoffs then I get it, but if Hooker decides to prepare for the draft and prevent a chance of injury in the Hail Mary Bowl that gets us to 8 wins then no. I understand why the player is doing it.
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You just said what is the difference.
1. Playoffs are the only thing that matters. Bowls are meaningless. It used to be that the teams couldn’t wait to play in the game they had worked so hard for. They were excited. The fans were excited. Then the press would fight over who won the NC when all the fun was over. New Year’s Day was game after game of fun. Now the bowls are barely worth watching because nobody cares. Players opt out. It’s just a scrimmage. The playoffs are too boring to watch. It’s the same teams.
2. Players over Teams
3. $ is all that matters now.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
This is another opinion I have, and im sure you all will love it as well. But honestly the best thing for sports would be to have it bubble popped. Have the market reset itsself in a way. With that being said too many, including myself are too invested at this point to give it up.
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99 out of a 100 times, laissez-faire is beneficial for entities already at the top.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I must’ve missed where Georgia’s defense went from pedestrian to elite when Lanning took over for Mel. Or when they changed schemes. Or when their recruiting made a huge jump when Lanning took over. Nothing has changed. Georgia will still pull away from us in the 2nd half bc they out talent us. Kirby’s defense will continue being elite. His recruiting still tops. And you totally whiffed on the Golesh analogy. Congrats.
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Analogy is simple as addressed. We wouldn't miss Golesh from the playcalling perspective. Yes. UGA won't miss Lanning from playcalling Kirby's defense. Yes. Clearly wasn't my point. Oregon hired him as their HC and UGA hated to lose an important piece of their OVERALL puzzle. Oregon isn't sniffing Golesh along with 99% of other non-factor playcallers. That's because his role there was MUCH larger than that. If you've followed em, you've heard it. If not, then I get the view that he's a nobody and Oregon, the idiots, just hired a complete nobody as their HC. And Kirby is a 1 man pony show. He's so great.

I just don't agree. Staffs and programs, unless you're Saban (which I do not agree Kirby is) are much bigger than 1 man and guys like Lanning have huge roles beyond what is their job title.

Agree to disagree. Here's to no more UGA 12-0 regular seasons!
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Plug and play.
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Smokeytom said:
That’s all he needs to do for it to not matter if his DC-in-name-only leaves for another gig. It’s a talent gap. Not a coaching gap.
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That's what I've thought. And that's what I've been trying to work out in listening. How much is scheme. How much is calling the scheme. He clearly does some things to attack the new offenses. That people can learn. And he's hardly the only one working on it. I think I tend to underestimate him because he's such a goober. But I have never underestimated his bag game! And now the stable now has become its own attraction. But at first I thought you were suggesting it was the scheme. And I couldn't reconcile that with the relative unimportance of Lanning. Not that it was Lanning's, but he could use it. I don't know if Lanning can innovate.
 
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Weezer said:
Bowls have always been meaningless unless you were in title contention. But the extra practice time is great for developing guys.
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I don’t ever remember thinking a bowl Tennessee was in was meaningless. Also winning always helped with recruiting which helped getting better bowls which winning helped get better recruits which... until you could you could get to title contention. You didn’t just act all casual about the bowl then lose then wake up playing in the national championship game.
 
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Devo182 said:
Analogy is simple as addressed. We wouldn't miss Golesh from the playcalling perspective. Yes. UGA won't miss Lanning from playcalling Kirby's defense. Yes. Clearly wasn't my point. Oregon hired him as their HC and UGA hated to lose an important piece of their OVERALL puzzle. Oregon isn't sniffing Golesh along with 99% of other non-factor playcallers. That's because his role there was MUCH larger than that. If you've followed em, you've heard it. If not, then I get the view that he's a nobody and Oregon, the idiots, just hired a complete nobody as their HC. And Kirby is a 1 man pony show. He's so great.

I just don't agree. Staffs and programs, unless you're Saban (which I do not agree Kirby is) are much bigger than 1 man and guys like Lanning have huge roles beyond what is their job title.

Agree to disagree. Here's to no more UGA 12-0 regular seasons!
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The analogy was to play calling and schemes and Kirby’s control as to Heup’s control. Not to who was next in line for a HC gig. Guess what if we’re 12-1 and in the playoffs come year 4 I guarantee you Golesh is gone for a P5 gig. But that wasn’t the point. As to you whiffing on the analogy.

This was Kirby’s first undefeated reg season at UGA. Him and Lanning found a way to lose to SC. You actually think Lanning was the secret to an undefeated season? Holler back after UGA is in Atlanta again next season. Y’all are grasping at straws.
 
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Orange. said:
That's what I've thought. And that's what I've been trying to work out in listening. How much is scheme. How much is calling the scheme. He clearly does some things to attack the new offenses. That people can learn. And he's hardly the only one working on it. I think I tend to underestimate him because he's such a goober. But I have never underestimated his bag game! And now the stable now has become its own attraction. But at first I thought you were suggesting it was the scheme. And I couldn't reconcile that with the relative unimportance of Lanning. Not that it was Lanning's, but he could use it. I don't know if Lanning can innovate.
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Kirby is a very good HC except for that 1 game they 💩 the bed every year. Their defense is his, no matter who’s got the DC title at UGA.
Christabol built Oregon because he is a coach good also. I don’t see Lanning continuing the same success there as in the past. Maybe I’m wrong, but you won’t see me ever post a PFF stat or grade to bolster my opinion. Ws and Ls will be the deciding factor, imo.
I also strongly think that Lincoln will beat Lanning time and time again as long as Lanning can get Christabols guys into the PAC12 championship game.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
I don’t ever remember thinking a bowl Tennessee was in was meaningless. Also winning always helped with recruiting which helped getting better bowls which winning helped get better recruits which... until you could you could get to title contention. You didn’t just act all casual about the bowl then lose then wake up playing in the national championship game.
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No recruit decides not to go to a school because they lost the taxslayer bowl.

Bowl games are nothing more than fan bragging rights and making more $$$
 
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[QUOTA="SLICKYINC, post: 20685723, member: 30805"]So we’re recruiting him, again?[/QUOTE]i thought I posted it in Page’s original recruiting page, but I see it actually posted in this thread.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Thats just false. Bowls used to be awesome before the playoffs. Pride was on the line. Respect was on the line. Nobody opt’d out of a Peach Bowl or Sugar Bowl 15 years ago.
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More entertaining doesn't mean they meant anything. Unless you were in title contention, they were just an extra game.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
So fans are stupid and selfish because they are fans? Beginning to wonder if it’s not all a huge waste of time.
And a player not playing because he is injured was not part of the discussion. The discussion was about the shift from team to individual, and the effect that has had on the bowl games now being meaningless when they used to be amazing. It wasn’t about the players being drafted...It was about college football.
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So an individual who is about to be drafted should be shunned for not playing in a bowl game that means nothing? Lol.

You don’t make sense. Has nothing to do with Team/Individual. Like I said I guarantee the players team is behind his decision and agrees.

The Bowl games that do matter guys don’t Opt out of.

For the other games who gives a crap if a draft prospect doesn’t play they are literally consolation games for the guys who couldn’t make it to the championship bowl games. Literally the equivalent of giving everyone a trophy for participation.
 
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