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"It's Time" said:
How about we hate both of them and keep that POS away from our school.

Donde should have fired his a$$ and not gave him a cent.
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You can hate whomever you want. Fulmer was great for our program as a coach. I will choose to focus on that. He made a mistake with Pruitt. I don't get the hate that so many have for him.
Ulysees E. McGill said:
Just because you do not understand it, doesn’t mean there aren't several good reasons that people don't like him.
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Several? Good? No.
 
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Random question:

Does anybody know Larry’s feelings about this staff/AD and direction of program?

Love him or hate him, he usually comes out and gives his opinion which is flamed and ridiculed but later proves to be mostly accurate.

I don’t follow him and don’t have my FF vaccine. In my almost 10 years on here, he has been doom and gloom (hindsight for valid reasons). Just curious if his tune had changed.
 
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"It's Time" said:
He didn’t.. That was David Cutcliff, the only one he didn’t touch was Clausen. Ainge was getting worse before Cut got here, and openly admits he was the reason for his success.

Some of our fans and Fulmer are trauma bonded. The guy should have been fired in 05, then got a miracle when Cut was let go. The minute he left back to 💩.

Fulmer could recruit, but he got lazy after winning the Natty plain and simple.
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Cutcliffe was one of, if not the best in the business but it’s not like Phil didn’t have any success without him. Something like 66-33 with two division titles and 3 ten win seasons. No way Fulmer should have been fired after the 05 season.
 
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I'm not stating all my opinions on coaches and ADs at the moment.

But Fulmer, as a champion, will always be a symbol of the Vols. He looks great there with the guys. He belongs at that table on a ceremonial occasion. He represents all of the players who played for him. Anything else would be idiotic public relations, to say the least. The story would have overtaken the year and this signing class. And for nothing.

And DW looks great where he is. In the job.
 
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Orange. said:
I'm not stating all my opinions on coaches and the ADs at the moment.

But Fulmer, as a champion, will always be a symbol of the Vols. He looks great there with the guys. He belongs at that table on a ceremonial occasion. Anything else would be idiotic public relations, to say the least. The story would have overtaken the year and this signing class. And for nothing.

And DW looks great where he is. In the job.
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I think many just think he needs to step aside for awhile...I mean we are under an NCAA investigation under his watch...Let memories of the present fade
 
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DawgInterloper said:
Assuming there was a functioning regulatory body and a cogent set of rules, how would they even know where to start investigating? Horses are way out of the barn now.
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I'd start with Texas A&M, Bama, and Georgia before moving on to Kentucky, Mizzou, Florida, and Auburn. The only two schools in the SEC that don't need to be investigated are Tennessee and Vanderbilt. Whatever Vanderbilt is doing, they should just keep doing it.
 
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engineerVOL said:
That’s a sloped earthen embankment under the old concrete bleachers. The field is actually lower than the street level on the west side. Pic below is looking south toward the river…
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Another angle…
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I love seeing pictures of Neyland being remolded and built over time. Crazy to think where it started to now (thank goodness). Yes, I could see a time lapse if I used the google machine. Lazy, I’ll admit it.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I think many just think he needs to step aside for awhile...I mean we are under an NCAA investigation under his watch...Let memories of the present fade
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Exactly...Pruitt and the botch cheating...still haven't got punished for it yet...was all on him

Let's not forget he didn't want to fire Pruitt...if they didn't step in, we would have him this year with some new assistants 🤮
 
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drvenner said:
You can hate whomever you want. Fulmer was great for our program as a coach. I will choose to focus on that. He made a mistake with Pruitt. I don't get the hate that so many have for him.

Several? Good? No.
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I don’t hate the guy, I just see through his BS.

I actually don’t blame Pruitt on him, I blame everything that happened with Pruitt on him. Two completely different perspectives. That coaching search was a train wreck, so he did what he could. He had the power to stop all of the nonsense and he didn’t. He was complaint in the whole thing or ignored it, which in turn, torpedoed our program.

That’s my issue, he was a great coach for UT, no doubt. This narrative that fans push that he’s all VOL and he loves the school, that is utter nonsense, he’s been abusing this school for money for 2 decades and we let him do it. It’s embarrassing.
 
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TheMagnificantOne said:
Exactly...Pruitt and the botch cheating...still haven't got punished for it yet...was all on him

Let's not forget he didn't want to fire Pruitt...if they didn't step in, we would have him this year with some new assistants 🤮
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It looks arrogant to me..in a nutshell.And speaks to other issues which we will not and cannot debate here.
 
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drvenner said:
You can hate whomever you want. Fulmer was great for our program as a coach. I will choose to focus on that. He made a mistake with Pruitt. I don't get the hate that so many have for him.
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I don’t hate him, but he was supposedly involved in Pruitt’s shenanigans. The hiring of Pruitt was desperation. Maybe should have hired someone else, but that is minor compared to other things.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I personally have extremely ambiguous feelings towards Fulmer. If you don't...good for you, but I don't see him the way you do, and I understand where the "disdain" comes from.
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I understand the disdain, too; but, everyone always needs to remember, Phillip Fulmer was the man that led us onto the field on one of the greatest nights of my life...for a true Vol, one of the greatest nights of your lives, as well. That trumps everything else, to me, the way I felt that night.

Majors laid the groundwork for what came after. Someone said earlier, Majors didn't recruit those players in 97 and 98; true, but he did recruit Heath Shuler, the dude that took great recruiting to elite recruiting into the rest of the decade. Yes, Andy Kelly was good, but I'm not sure he was one of the top QBs in the country coming out of high school. Shuler, as you know, McGill...numero uno, he was big time. That led to Peyton and Brandon Stewart, one of the top 8 QBs in the country, to Tee (top 10), to Clausen (top 5)...Shuler was the first of elite QBs, which led to great success. That stretch, I put against anybody, whenever it comes to landing elite QBs, and great to elite QB play. Shuler and Manning were elite...Tee and Casey were great.

Fulmer took us to another level, to one of the top 3 to 4 programs in the country.
 
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