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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You either believe these kids are "blue chip" good or you don't...what the services say about them is f'n irrelevant to me now. I have seen so many high fours and fives suck at Tennessee over the last decade that It doesn't faze me anymore.
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Those are just the odds. Some seem to buy in DEEP with every 4* (start calling them elite) and 5* (a sure thing!). Once you consider the large volume stats, it's not just UT. It's the industry of analyzing humans in a game that isn't just physical, but developmental and...well...very human. Exactly why million dollar NFL staffs draft like garbage decade after decade.

Only 20% of 4*s get drafted. And "only" 50% of 5*s. Gotta just keep things in context while remembering the best teams tend to have the best recruits. A team outside of the "blue chip ratio club" hasn't won it all since it has been tracked. That's all anyone needs to know to understand how important recruiting stars actually are. No, it's not a guarantor against failure. Certainly not. But it is a prerequisite to being great.


As for "what you think" I'm not sure if you mean us the fans or the coaches. Nor am I convinced either is always relevant. As fans, we don't know anything. It's not our full time job and we're all biased. We look at 1 HUDL video and think a guy is either good or not good lol, that's all we have to go off of. As for coaches...I can get behind that more, but they're very limited by who will commit to them. If it were up to them, they'd take 32 5*s all day. And many more coaches are no better evaluators of talent than a monkey throwing a dart at a spinning wheel.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
It’s strange to me that there has been a lot postmortem in the media on this signing class as though we failed. Why?
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Most college programs have historically relied on in-state kids and these media folks don't realize that it's the opposite for us. We've always relied on recruiting nationally. If UGA, LSU, the Mississippi schools, or UF etc. failed in-state it would be a gigantic deal but for us it's pretty meaningless. We've always had a few key guys from the state on our teams but TN HS football has only recently produced good enough talent in numbers large enough to get noticed. It just doesn't matter to us the way it does elsewhere and they can't wrap their heads around it.
 
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Devo182 said:
Those are just the odds. Some seem to buy in DEEP with every 4* (start calling them elite) and 5* (a sure thing!). Once you consider the large volume stats, it's not just UT. It's the industry of analyzing humans in a game that isn't just physical, but developmental and...well...very human. Exactly why million dollar NFL staffs draft like garbage decade after decade.

Only 20% of 4*s get drafted. And "only" 50% of 5*s. Gotta just keep things in context while remembering the best teams tend to have the best recruits. A team outside of the "blue chip ratio club" hasn't won it all since it has been tracked. That's all anyone needs to know to understand how important recruiting stars actually are. No, it's not a guarantor against failure. Certainly not. But it is a prerequisite to being great.


As for "what you think" I'm not sure if you mean us the fans or the coaches. Nor am I convinced either is always relevant. As fans, we don't know anything. It's not our full time job and we're all biased. We look at 1 HUDL video and think a guy is either good or not good lol, that's all we have to go off of. As for coaches...I can get behind that more, but they're very limited by who will commit to them. If it were up to them, they'd take 32 5*s all day. And many more coaches are no better evaluators of talent than a monkey throwing a dart at a spinning wheel.
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Blah blah blah...you either like our recruits or not.
 
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Seen a lot of sad today.

Found a guy on Facebook marketplace selling hundreds of rigged duck, canada & snow goose decoys for insanely cheap. My lab partner and I drove an hour to meet him, and we thought he was moving. Middle-aged, healthy, selling a bunch of other things on his farm.

Turn out, dude has been fighting tumors. Had one on his neck removed a month ago, and during his checkup last week they found another one on his brain stem. Mood of the meeting changed quickly, and we headed home with almost 100 decoys in total.

After dropping my buddy and decoys off, I passed a car in a ditch on a country road. Multiple cars passing without even attempting to stop. It was a grandmother, said she can't feel her arm, drunk as a skunk. She started screaming at me not to call the cops and crying. Turns out she was a frequent flyer. Cop and EMTs knew her, but she was in a serious pickle. Old, beat up camry totalled (and she was still trying to floor it in reverse, completely stuck).

Sorry for the somber post. Needed to vent that off my chest and how much it hurts to see in both cases.
 
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Well, hate to post off topic, but do any of you logistics guys work with/for pilot? Received only 1 of 2 boxes of a Christmas gift and wondering the likelihood of it being found. I have emailed them.
 
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SoilVol said:
Seen a lot of sad today.

Found a guy on Facebook marketplace selling hundreds of rigged duck, canada & snow goose decoys for insanely cheap. My lab partner and I drove an hour to meet him, and we thought he was moving. Middle-aged, healthy, selling a bunch of other things on his farm.

Turn out, dude has been fighting tumors. Had one on his neck removed a month ago, and during his checkup last week they found another one on his brain stem. Mood of the meeting changed quickly, and we headed home with almost 100 decoys in total.

After dropping my buddy and decoys off, I passed a car in a ditch on a country road. Multiple cars passing without even attempting to stop. It was a grandmother, said she can't feel her arm, drunk as a skunk. She started screaming at me not to call the cops and crying. Turns out she was a frequent flyer. Cop and EMTs knew her, but she was in a serious pickle. Old, beat up camry totalled (and she was still trying to floor it in reverse, completely stuck).

Sorry for the somber post. Needed to vent that off my chest and how much it hurts to see in both cases.
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I hate drunk drivers..
 
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Vols4us said:
Uh - the sky is not falling in recruiting. Imagine that. Crickets from the cheap seats. NIL will be handled. We have Danny White and Randy Boyd. Heup knows what to do.

We really do have a new age HC and staff. They actually do know what they are doing. Another season of success after some quality development and the NCAA thing in the rear view will solve the talent upgrade image issue. I see it as an image issue, not reality. A 3* can be as good or better than a 5* frequently - when developed properly and inserted at the right time. Our staff knows this because the class they signed reflects this - upside. This is a measured approach to building a program, not a sprint to see who can get there first. We started at the back of the pack, so it is an endurance run. But they still plan to win the race as soon as they can.

On D we have Tim Banks, Rodney Garner, Brian Jean-Mary and I am glad to be proven wrong - Willie. I have loved what PSU's D does schematically for years. Their D kept Franklin in his job. Cowboy fans now know how a Micah Parsons can disrupt an O in a properly designed scheme. Enter Joshua Josephs. Tim has a solid plan and I am excited. We have Rodney. Did I say we have Rodney?

Every single D signing has intent. They were signed to play a position or to be a swing into multiple positions. None were signed as D players to be moved to O. If a guy doesn't cut it on D after a couple years that may happen, but will be more likely the guy will transfer out with the new rules.

Not going to talk O coaches - they 100% proved themselves last season. On O they added size/length/good feet/intelligence in the O-line so that we have quality OT's going forward. Interior guys can be had and made into quality players. OT's must have the referenced. What has been our biggest O-line issue for what seems forever? Quality OT's.

RB - stocked. Kamara version 2.0 with world class speed and UGA style RB in Williams. Check.

Receiver - wow. Just wow. Fits at every position with great upside. They all stayed the course and signed. What does that tell you about their belief in CJH and his system?

QB - yeah. That guy with all the throws and mobility with great upside. Proven winner from a proven winning family. We are good here.
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Who is Kamara 2.0?

Seems people like our WR class. Someone on 247 posited that we had the #1 WR class..yeah not quite there yet lol. Our best WR is ranked in the 40s. OSU and Bama have classes where no single player is worse than the 20s. Not to question if it's good - seems decent, maybe a 15th-20th wr class. Really solid for Y1 imo. Hype can recruit pretty well.

We need to recruit defense. Offense will take care of itself. Bring the LBs, DBs, IDL and we'll restock the cupboard and maybe improve in a year or two. 7-5/8-4 next year and maybe 8-4/9-3 in 2023. Slow build and I'm fine with that. Need time to bring in serious talent. Hopefully consistent winning will buy us favor with recruits and we can get back to 89.5-91 average classes needed to compete with the UF, LSU, Auburn. Then we can look toward the top tier after that.

Slow and steady wins the race. No need for anybody to get down because we aren't killing it on the trail Y1. We need patience. Hype'll get it done in due time.
 
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Devo182 said:
Who is Kamara 2.0?

Seems people like our WR class. Someone on 247 posited that we had the #1 WR class..yeah not quite there yet lol. Our best WR is ranked in the 40s. OSU and Bama have classes where no single player is worse than the 20s. Not to question if it's good - seems decent, maybe a 15th-20th wr class. Really solid for Y1 imo. Hype can recruit pretty well.

We need to recruit defense. Offense will take care of itself. Bring the LBs, DBs, IDL and we'll restock the cupboard and maybe improve in a year or two. 7-5/8-4 next year and maybe 8-4/9-3 in 2023. Slow build and I'm fine with that. Need time to bring in serious talent. Hopefully consistent winning will buy us favor with recruits and we can get back to 89.5-91 average classes needed to compete with the UF, LSU, Auburn. Then we can look toward the top tier after that.

Slow and steady wins the race. No need for anybody to get down because we aren't killing it on the trail Y1. We need patience. Hype'll get it done in due time.
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Sampson. Patterns his game after him.
 
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screenthis said:
I'm with you on this one. Take a look at when we won a National Championship before 98' and since of course. Liked seeing him at that dinner with Heupel as well. He's all Vol.
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No doubt about it. He made mistakes, but he was still the point man behind the most successful decade in Tennessee football history.
 
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Where does the 68ish number of scholarship players come from? I can't seam to find that info. This is thrown around on this board and everyone says we'll so and so says
..... I'm trying to track this down but don't know where to start. If you search on the ut 2021 roster there are 121 players listed. Are trying to tell.me that over 50 players aren't on scholarship? I know the super senior is factered into that number but this still seems like a lot of non scholarship players.
 
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Pridedad said:
Where does the 68ish number of scholarship players come from? I can't seam to find that info. This is thrown around on this board and everyone says we'll so and so says
..... I'm trying to track this down but don't know where to start. If you search on the ut 2021 roster there are 121 players listed. Are trying to tell.me that over 50 players aren't on scholarship? I know the super senior is factered into that number but this still seems like a lot of non scholarship players.
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This is probably where it comes from: Look at 2022 Roster
 
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