Gun control debate (merged)

[Orangeslice13]

The hell I am. If people don’t know how to handle a firearm they shouldn’t handle one. Period.

It’s really that simple

 

[utvolpj]

Done did, and that’s exactly what you’re doing. You assumed things and hung up some BS righteous indignation.

No I simply read what was presented.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

“ the incident involved the misfiring of a prop gun with blanks.”

they don’t go off unless someone carelessly pulls the trigger

Now you know PJ

 

[NorthDallas40]

But it's not at all. I don't open a shell out of each box to make sure I got #8 shot.

Nobody is saying you should check if it’s a #8 but if you’re expecting to be loaded with blanks you should verify they are blanks and clear the barrel.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No I simply read what was presented.

And made false assumptions and did exactly what you regularly call others out for.

 

[zeppelin128]

No need to comment really, this is looking like a Brandon Lee kind of situation. I mean Alec Baldwin can be a total prick, but I doubt he just decided to unload on his staff. He was a producer during all of this.

Folks should have learned some things from Brandon, but I digress.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No need to comment really, this is looking like a Brandon Lee kind of situation. I mean Alec Baldwin can be a total prick, but I doubt he just decided to unload on his staff. He was a producer during all of this.

Folks should have learned some things from Brandon, but I digress.

Brandon wasn’t the first.
If you’re going to handle a firearm you should have extensive training so people don’t die.

 

[LouderVol]

But it's not at all. I don't open a shell out of each box to make sure I got #8 shot.

Sure, but you also dont go pulling the trigger while pointing it at someone(s) to see if its loaded.

 

[zeppelin128]

Brandon wasn’t the first.
If you’re going to handle a firearm you should have extensive training so people don’t die.

True, Brandon is the first i remember in my mind.
Very true.

 

[utvolpj]

Sure, but you also dont go pulling the trigger while pointing it at someone(s) to see if its loaded.

Who disagrees with that? The links provided did not say that was the cause

 

[hndog609]

Sure, but you also dont go pulling the trigger while pointing it at someone(s) to see if its loaded.

I don't want to rule out a true malfunction.

First person real world example. I had a .22LR bullet go between my feet. I looked up and my friend had gone white with this shocked look on his face. He swore he didn't pull the trigger. We cleared the rifle and sure enough, once cocked (it was a bolt) every 3 manipulations from "safe" of the safety dropped the firing pin; on/off/on/off/click.

Not enough information out yet but I just wanted to say we can't really start saying who was pointing where when a trigger was actually pulled.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Like you are one to talk. Pretty sure I've seen you openly call for the death of folks that disagree with you politically.

Stick to the subject or buzz off!

 

[LouderVol]

Who disagrees with that? The links provided did not say that was the cause

Unless the prop literally exploded, which seems doubtful as he isnt in the hospital, I have a hard time seeing how he didnt: 1. Pull the trigger, or 2 have it pointing somewhat in their direction.

Regardless of loaded or unloaded, or what load, those are 2 things you dont do.

Considering the director or producer was also hurt it doesnt sound like they were filming.

 

[Orangeslice13]

True, Brandon is the first i remember in my mind.
Very true.

There was a guy 40 years ago that had a popular tv show. He put a prop gun to his head and pulled the trigger as a jock. Can’t remember his name, but as a kid I’d been trained to know better.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't want to rule out a true malfunction.

First person real world example. I had a .22LR bullet go between my feet. I looked up and my friend had gone white with this shocked look on his face. He swore he didn't pull the trigger. We cleared the rifle and sure enough, once cocked (it was a bolt) every 3 manipulations from "safe" of the safety dropped the firing pin; on/off/on/off/click.

Not enough information out yet but I just wanted to say we can't really start saying who was pointing where when a trigger was actually pulled.

Apparently I am naive but if I hear "prop gun" that's something that cant fire at all, basically those that normally come with the orange tip to show it's a toy type. If it's a gun capable of firing, it's a gun. No matter the load.

Now sure, it could be an actual old gun that actually did malfunction and go off without a trigger pull, but the circumstances just seem odd for that to be the case.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don't want to rule out a true malfunction.

First person real world example. I had a .22LR bullet go between my feet. I looked up and my friend had gone white with this shocked look on his face. He swore he didn't pull the trigger. We cleared the rifle and sure enough, once cocked (it was a bolt) every 3 manipulations from "safe" of the safety dropped the firing pin; on/off/on/off/click.

Not enough information out yet but I just wanted to say we can't really start saying who was pointing where when a trigger was actually pulled.

It was a revolver.

 

[zeppelin128]

Stick to the subject or buzz off!

Pretty telling that you didn't say I was wrong. But I'll stick to the subject now.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Brandon wasn’t the first.
If you’re going to handle a firearm you should have extensive training so people don’t die.

An actor back in the 80’s was killed by using a “safe” gun by shooting himself in the temple. The pressure from the blank wad alone was enough to kill him at point blank range.

Even skilled firearm users are suspect. Terry Kath of Chicago is a well known example.

 

[hndog609]

Apparently I am naive but if I hear "prop gun" that's something that cant fire at all, basically those that normally come with the orange tip to show it's a toy type. If it's a gun capable of firing, it's a gun. No matter the load.

Now sure, it could be an actual old gun that actually did malfunction and go off without a trigger pull, but the circumstances just seem odd for that to be the case.

Yeah, going back to my first post I'm curious what comes out in the details regarding this incident. Other than "something went bad wrong somehow" we're pretty lean on hard info at this point.

 

[zeppelin128]

There was a guy 40 years ago that had a popular tv show. He put a prop gun to his head and pulled the trigger as a jock. Can’t remember his name, but as a kid I’d been trained to know better.

Oh wow, never heard of that. I'm not sure what is going on elsewhere but I am SUPER careful around guns, hell even fake ones and bb guns. How this happened after Brandon is crazy.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There was a guy 40 years ago that had a popular tv show. He put a prop gun to his head and pulled the trigger as a jock. Can’t remember his name, but as a kid I’d been trained to know better.

Yep I just referenced the same situation.

 

[Orangeslice13]

An actor back in the 80’s was killed by using a “safe” gun by shooting himself in the temple. The pressure from the blank wad alone was enough to kill him at point blank range.

Even skilled firearm users are suspect. Terry Kath of Chicago is a well known example.

Just stupid.
I went to a gun safety class in the 70s where they blew a hole in a dictionary with blanks from a 38 special from 18 inches.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't want to rule out a true malfunction.

First person real world example. I had a .22LR bullet go between my feet. I looked up and my friend had gone white with this shocked look on his face. He swore he didn't pull the trigger. We cleared the rifle and sure enough, once cocked (it was a bolt) every 3 manipulations from "safe" of the safety dropped the firing pin; on/off/on/off/click.

Not enough information out yet but I just wanted to say we can't really start saying who was pointing where when a trigger was actually pulled.

How do you shoot two people though? Did he get both of them with one discharge?

 

[hndog609]

It was a revolver.

Two people with a revolver? One shot directly and the other with eye injuries? How "injured" is this 2 person?

If it's a revolver it makes the WTF level even higher.

 

[hndog609]

How do you shoot two people though? Did he get both of them with one discharge?

I had speculated it was an auto incident but Slice just said it was a revolver so my guess now is one discharge.