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We don't beat Pitt with last night's Milton. Talk big all you want. We won the game last night with the run game and defensive adjustments at halftime. Otherwise it would have been a 21-12 type barn burner reminiscent of the Cornbread era. Pitt coaches/staff saw the same game we did. Pitt will scheme accordingly and they have a defensive guru as a HC. The second quarter was embarrassing last night. I realize we had second teamers on the field getting experience on D in that quarter, but not so much on O. I realize Heup was probably trying to get the Milton/Tillman connection established the entire game. But why to the exclusion of the open TE's and other WR's unless it was bad reads by Heup's guy.

As the year goes on injuries will occur and the second teamers may be starting and/or playing a lot. The competition strongly improves outside of two games on the schedule. Starting a QB who cannot read coverages and find the open man while not being able to throw more than just fast balls is not going to do much for the team this season. Heup's got his work cut out for him on the Milton reclamation tour. Saturday will be a great indicator for how it's going to go this season if Milton stays the QB and it will not be much different if he changes and goes with Hooker.

Facts - both Milton and Hooker failed as starters at their previous stops. Both are 4th year guys. Both HC's at their previous stops are still the HC's. They moved on from them during the season after losing and seeing enough. So good luck with that, Coach. Maybe he's trying to take the pressure off HB for a season or two and give him time to adapt. Maybe he just does not like what he sees. Maybe he wants to throw T-Jackson to the SEC wolves as a true freshman. Time will tell.
 
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mccrackb said:
Bailey looked better as a freshman versus SEC competition
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Bailey lacked mobility….. struggled very badly throwing down the field…completed the majority of his passes within five yards of the line of scrimmage and held the ball way too long…. They both have issues that hopefully the staff can correct.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.
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lol. You never disappoint with your takes. Dude racks up yards and points year after year, and it’s a gimmick. I guess Leach and Briles are too.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
No, not at all. I think it’s very possible for it to be successful.

But I think in this league talent comes first and scheme comes second.

What Heupel does is essentially try to exhaust a defense - and more specifically, one particular CB, Safety, DE, etc. It can work and there’s nothing wrong with it.

But what I would prefer is simply recruiting good players and go head to head with the opposing team. Not trying to find a shortcut to success via gaming the snap count.
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It’s an RPO offense. Always looking at numbers. If you think the advantage is just playing fast, there is nothing else to say.
 
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Vols4us said:
We don't beat Pitt with last night's Milton. Talk big all you want. We won the game last night with the run game and defensive adjustments at halftime. Otherwise it would have been a 21-12 type barn burner reminiscent of the Cornbread era. Pitt coaches/staff saw the same game we did. Pitt will scheme accordingly and they have a defensive guru as a HC. The second quarter was embarrassing last night. I realize we had second teamers on the field getting experience on D in that quarter, but not so much on O. I realize Heup was probably trying to get the Milton/Tillman connection established the entire game. But why to the exclusion of the open TE's and other WR's unless it was bad reads by Heup's guy.

As the year goes on injuries will occur and the second teamers may be starting and/or playing a lot. The competition strongly improves outside of two games on the schedule. Starting a QB who cannot read coverages and find the open man while not being able to throw more than just fast balls is not going to do much for the team this season. Heup's got his work cut out for him on the Milton reclamation tour. Saturday will be a great indicator for how it's going to go this season if Milton stays the QB and it will not be much different if he changes and goes with Hooker.

Facts - both Milton and Hooker failed as starters at their previous stops. Both are 4th year guys. Both HC's at their previous stops are still the HC's. They moved on from them during the season after losing and seeing enough. So good luck with that, Coach. Maybe he's trying to take the pressure off HB for a season or two and give him time to adapt. Maybe he just does not like what he sees. Maybe he wants to throw T-Jackson to the SEC wolves as a true freshman. Time will tell.
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I feel like our fans love to hear themselves talk it’s like they are talking to a brick wall its hilarious
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I'm hoping that Milton was just trying to show off against this team last night and create some buzz for himself with his arm and that's why he was holding the ball and not throwing to open guys.
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That would be worse than just not being that good of a QB in my book.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
No way big12 wills till be considered a “power 5” conference right?
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Those 4 deserved to land in a conference the first time around but I don't think you can fill out or rescue your conference with them. That's what will be a problem.
 
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Vols4us said:
We don't beat Pitt with last night's Milton. Talk big all you want. We won the game last night with the run game and defensive adjustments at halftime. Otherwise it would have been a 21-12 type barn burner reminiscent of the Cornbread era. Pitt coaches/staff saw the same game we did. Pitt will scheme accordingly and they have a defensive guru as a HC. The second quarter was embarrassing last night. I realize we had second teamers on the field getting experience on D in that quarter, but not so much on O. I realize Heup was probably trying to get the Milton/Tillman connection established the entire game. But why to the exclusion of the open TE's and other WR's unless it was bad reads by Heup's guy.

As the year goes on injuries will occur and the second teamers may be starting and/or playing a lot. The competition strongly improves outside of two games on the schedule. Starting a QB who cannot read coverages and find the open man while not being able to throw more than just fast balls is not going to do much for the team this season. Heup's got his work cut out for him on the Milton reclamation tour. Saturday will be a great indicator for how it's going to go this season if Milton stays the QB and it will not be much different if he changes and goes with Hooker.

Facts - both Milton and Hooker failed as starters at their previous stops. Both are 4th year guys. Both HC's at their previous stops are still the HC's. They moved on from them during the season after losing and seeing enough. So good luck with that, Coach. Maybe he's trying to take the pressure off HB for a season or two and give him time to adapt. Maybe he just does not like what he sees. Maybe he wants to throw T-Jackson to the SEC wolves as a true freshman. Time will tell.
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Two coaches on the hot seat, I might add. Fuente is a good QB coach though.
 
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Vols4us said:
We don't beat Pitt with last night's Milton. Talk big all you want. We won the game last night with the run game and defensive adjustments at halftime. Otherwise it would have been a 21-12 type barn burner reminiscent of the Cornbread era. Pitt coaches/staff saw the same game we did. Pitt will scheme accordingly and they have a defensive guru as a HC. The second quarter was embarrassing last night. I realize we had second teamers on the field getting experience on D in that quarter, but not so much on O. I realize Heup was probably trying to get the Milton/Tillman connection established the entire game. But why to the exclusion of the open TE's and other WR's unless it was bad reads by Heup's guy.

As the year goes on injuries will occur and the second teamers may be starting and/or playing a lot. The competition strongly improves outside of two games on the schedule. Starting a QB who cannot read coverages and find the open man while not being able to throw more than just fast balls is not going to do much for the team this season. Heup's got his work cut out for him on the Milton reclamation tour. Saturday will be a great indicator for how it's going to go this season if Milton stays the QB and it will not be much different if he changes and goes with Hooker.

Facts - both Milton and Hooker failed as starters at their previous stops. Both are 4th year guys. Both HC's at their previous stops are still the HC's. They moved on from them during the season after losing and seeing enough. So good luck with that, Coach. Maybe he's trying to take the pressure off HB for a season or two and give him time to adapt. Maybe he just does not like what he sees. Maybe he wants to throw T-Jackson to the SEC wolves as a true freshman. Time will tell.
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Did not read all of that, but I surmise...put HB and win the natty😑
 
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Vols4us said:
We don't beat Pitt with last night's Milton. Talk big all you want. We won the game last night with the run game and defensive adjustments at halftime. Otherwise it would have been a 21-12 type barn burner reminiscent of the Cornbread era. Pitt coaches/staff saw the same game we did. Pitt will scheme accordingly and they have a defensive guru as a HC. The second quarter was embarrassing last night. I realize we had second teamers on the field getting experience on D in that quarter, but not so much on O. I realize Heup was probably trying to get the Milton/Tillman connection established the entire game. But why to the exclusion of the open TE's and other WR's unless it was bad reads by Heup's guy.

As the year goes on injuries will occur and the second teamers may be starting and/or playing a lot. The competition strongly improves outside of two games on the schedule. Starting a QB who cannot read coverages and find the open man while not being able to throw more than just fast balls is not going to do much for the team this season. Heup's got his work cut out for him on the Milton reclamation tour. Saturday will be a great indicator for how it's going to go this season if Milton stays the QB and it will not be much different if he changes and goes with Hooker.

Facts - both Milton and Hooker failed as starters at their previous stops. Both are 4th year guys. Both HC's at their previous stops are still the HC's. They moved on from them during the season after losing and seeing enough. So good luck with that, Coach. Maybe he's trying to take the pressure off HB for a season or two and give him time to adapt. Maybe he just does not like what he sees. Maybe he wants to throw T-Jackson to the SEC wolves as a true freshman. Time will tell.
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I don’t think you can really make that assumption.

If Pitt loads up and stacks the box then I bet we air it out and throw it 42 times. And the offense and Milton look better.

But if they play to stop the pass then we grind it out on the ground.

What you saw last night was a team taking advantage of what the defense was giving them. That’s all coaching and I am here for it.
 
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Swain agreed with me on his show today. We shouldn't have been running go routes with Tillman. That needs to be Hyatt, Peyton, or Velus. Tillman is the slowest receiver on the team. He's a jump ball guy. Why didn't we run those routes with the other guys?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Swain agreed with me on his show today. We shouldn't have been running go routes with Tillman. That needs to be Hyatt, Peyton, or Velus. Tillman is the slowest receiver on the team. He's a jump ball guy. Why didn't we run those routes with the other guys?
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I was asking this last night too.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Swain agreed with me on his show today. We shouldn't have been running go routes with Tillman. That needs to be Hyatt, Peyton, or Velus. Tillman is the slowest receiver on the team. He's a jump ball guy. Why didn't we run those routes with the other guys?
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From what I saw was they played off off Hyatt most of the night with high safety help. They cut the deep pass but gave up short all night
 
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