The Official CoronaZoneVirus Thread

[rocytop2624]

we are already there. It doesn’t matter what I think. It’s the reality of the situation. If it’s really life or death, you just gonna sit there and die because you think you have the moral high ground?

What's this mean? Dumb it down please. Long weeks.

 

[rocytop2624]

Rocy, those are symptoms of the virus and resulting disease, not side effects of the vacc.

She tested negative

 

[volfanbill]

I was joking about Ron. She got really sick and can't smell our taste.

Ah yea. I remember seeing other posts about that. I can’t speak to that, i haven’t heard that happening. But, if your doctors think you are safe to get it, that’s all that would matter to me. But I’m just a random Internet guy. Hope it works out for you. And your son

 

[VolNExile]

She tested negative

Tests, especially the quick one, aren’t always conclusive. You can be negative when tested, before your body reacts enough to test positive.

 

[rocytop2624]

Ah yea. I remember seeing other posts about that. I can’t speak to that, i haven’t heard that happening. But, if your doctors think you are safe to get it, that’s all that would matter to me. But I’m just a random Internet guy. Hope it works out for you. And your son

Taters are good. Cool kewl ku Kool nooga

 

[rocytop2624]

Tests, especially the quick one, aren’t always conclusive. You can be negative when tested, before your body reacts enough to test positive.

3day test my son and his mom both was negative.

 

[rocytop2624]

Both was sick

 

[rocytop2624]

Then she got her 2nd Pfizer shot.

 

[Behr]

I never contradicted myself nor asked (or cared) what your beliefs are. If your religion preaches anti-vax, then I'm fine with using a religious exemption. If your religion doesn't preach it, you get flu vaccines, your kids get vaccinated, then I think claiming a religious exemption is BS. The majority fall into the latter.

Regarding the religious reasons, most of those claiming that are full of it. Approximately 1% of schoolage kids do not get vaccinations due to religious reasons. It is estimated that 15-20% of the workforce would claim religious reasons in the event of a forced vaccination.

I believe most people are trying to use "religion" as a strawman defense as a reason not to get vaccinated.

Most who are using this excuse aren't using it because they are mis-informed or actually have those beliefs, its because they think its the way to keep from having a forced vaccination.

I have no issue if a core doctrine of your religion is anti-vaccination. If that's your belief, then that's your belief. I have an issue if you are lying. Problem is, its not too easy to tell who has these beliefs and who is making it up.

 

[rocytop2624]

a thousand out of how many million vaccinated?

If it's FDA approved and you have a bad reaction then you can sue!

 

[VolNExile]

If it's FDA approved and you have a bad reaction then you can sue!

Yay!

 

[theFallGuy]

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Pretty consistent that I said legitimate religious beliefs are OK and lying is not OK. Given 20% of employees at mandated companies are expected to claim religious exemptions now and 1% previously claimed them (based on vaccinations for their kids), then there's a lot of lying to be expected...

 

[theFallGuy]

 

[rocytop2624]

 

[rocytop2624]

Pretty consistent that I said legitimate religious beliefs are OK and lying is not OK. Given 20% of employees at mandated companies are expected to claim religious exemptions now and 1% previously claimed them (based on vaccinations for their kids), then there's a lot of lying to be expected...

A guy I work with that is doing it is for real he home schools and is real religious type.


I have to much red in my ledger.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

A guy I work with that is doing it is for real he home schools and is real religious type.

And he is the minority and I have absolutely no issue with him following his religious doctrine.

Same thing for those that will claim a legitimate medical exemption similar to what you might have.

 

[Behr]

Pretty consistent that I said legitimate religious beliefs are OK and lying is not OK. Given 20% of employees at mandated companies are expected to claim religious exemptions now and 1% previously claimed them (based on vaccinations for their kids), then there's a lot of lying to be expected...

You said Most are using it as an excuse then said it's hard to tell who's lying. Which is it?

My religious beliefs are non of your business.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

If I looked out my window and saw four dozen automatic rifles pointed my way, I’d move. Seeing people wandering around without masks doesn’t rise to that level.

I don’t believe that unvaccinated/unmasked people are likely to kill me, because I take basic precautions (vaccinated, masked, wary about enclosed places with lots of people.) I DO believe that they are likely to seriously sicken and perhaps kill other people. Kids under 12. Immunocompromised. Old people. And young random folks who thought they would only get a bad cold.

That bothers me. It doesn’t bother you? It’s only about you? I real am mystified.

I can’t control those people and I am not willing to use the type of force against my fellow Tennesseans that it would take to make them all take the precautions that you reference. From my perspective, someone who expects everyone else to bend to her will so she can feel safe is the one who thinks the world revolves around her.

 

[ArdentVol]

going back to baseball game on laptop

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

You said Most are using it as an excuse then said it's hard to tell who's lying. Which is it?

My religious beliefs are non of your business.

It's both. Historically 1% has claimed a religious exemption for vaccinations. Now, its expected to be 20% for the COVID vaccine (and still 1-2% for school vaccinations). With 100 people, 1 person has a legitimate excuse and 19 are making it up.

And yes, the hard part is figuring out of the 20 people is telling the truth.

This is a super slippery slope and I do not know the right answer. A company may have various reasons for wanting a vaccine mandate (vendor, liability, regulatory, financial) however that has to be balanced with your comment about religious benefits not being my business.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

And @Behr, wait until we see a cottage industry in the medical field where certain doctors will write "sick notes" in an attempt to get a medical exemption. (Similar to the days where certain doctors would prescribe Oxy with little to no consultation)

That's almost as slippery of a slope as the religious exemption.

Again, I don't know the answer.

 

[Behr]

It's both. Historically 1% has claimed a religious exemption for vaccinations. Now, its expected to be 20% for the COVID vaccine (and still 1-2% for school vaccinations). With 100 people, 1 person has a legitimate excuse and 19 are making it up.

And yes, the hard part is figuring out of the 20 people is telling the truth.

This is a super slippery slope and I do not know the right answer.

So "historically" 1% has possibly lied but you don't know, you just think it's probable.

Now it's "expected" that the probable liars will jump up to 20%.

That was my whole point, which I was trolling more than anything, but generalizations, especially about religious beliefs interests me. And you kept saying "your" which I assumed was another generalization but you used it so many times I wasn't sure.

 

[GordonC]

So "historically" 1% has possibly lied but you don't know, you just think it's probable.

Now it's "expected" that the probable liars will jump up to 20%.

That was my whole point, which I was trolling more than anything, but generalizations, especially about religious beliefs interests me. And you kept saying "your" which I assumed was another generalization but you used it so many times I wasn't sure.

Yes, since the logical fallacies card was being played pretty heavily in this thread a la "strawman" and "slippery slope," I was wondering when we could talk about "hasty generalization," "invalid analogy," or "false premise."
Well-played

 

[Orangeredblooded]

I asked my primary care and they don't have the vaccine.

Local Walmart and Walgreens have them, or they did a month ago, just have to fill out the appropriate paperwork.