Coronavirus (No politics)

By following the advice of our doctors is not living in fear.
I'm not talking about following advice from your doctor. I'm talking about the panic porn all over the media and from our government that is filled with lies. Get the vaccine, or have natural immunity, and you are safe from covid, even the variants. Death rates are low, but all we're hearing about are cases, many of which are asymptomatic positives. It's nothing but fear.
 
I'm not talking about following advice from your doctor. I'm talking about the panic porn all over the media and from our government that is filled with lies. Get the vaccine, or have natural immunity, and you are safe from covid, even the variants. Death rates are low, but all we're hearing about are cases, many of which are asymptomatic positives. It's nothing but fear.
It’s not fear, it’s data, big difference.
 
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It’s not fear, it’s data, big difference.
Data concerning what? Asymptomatic cases? I just told you that death rate is as low as it has been since March of 2020. Pushing the narrative of rising cases, many of which are asymptomatic, and that do not result in hospitalizations and death is nothing but fear.

But you are too far gone. I feel sorry for you. But its the life you've chosen
 
Data concerning what? Asymptomatic cases? I just told you that death rate is as low as it has been since March of 2020. Pushing the narrative of rising cases, many of which are asymptomatic, and that do not result in hospitalizations and death is nothing but fear.

But you are too far gone. I feel sorry for you. But its the life you've chosen
You are the one who is calling fear, not me.
 
I’m fully vaccinated and just simply not scared anymore of COVID or any variants. That is the point of the vaccine right? COVID is here to stay folks. We’re all gonna get it at some point. We have to move on with our lives. I’m fully vaccinated and the data says that my symptoms will be mild if/when I get it. If you choose not to get vaccinated, that’s your choice. You also have to face the consequences.
 
This is from a local doc who is highly respected. He's been on the front lines since day one. Just passing his thoughts along.

So, I’m back sooner than expected. Damn you, Delta Strain! There has unsurprisingly been a lot of questions as the CDC guidance has once again changed. Let me guide you through the guidance:
1) the vaccines are still working great. 99.5% of COVID-19 deaths last quarter were among unvaccinated - some 50,000 tragically unnecessary deaths.
2) if you are vaccinated (or if you have previously been ill with covid, or both), your protection is from *systemic disease* (COVID is an anagram for COronaVirus Disease). Your nose and upper airway, where IgG antibodies are not present, remains vulnerable to SARS-CoV-2, or any other coronavirus. Coronaviruses cause about 1/3 of our common colds.
3) Because Covid is a *cold virus*, it is unlikely that there will ever be herd immunity. Because it is a cold virus, you and I, vaccinated or not, will probably get a *cold* from SARS-CoV-2 many times in our lives.
4) vaccination also seems to strongly prevent disability from COVID, such as long-term organ dysfunction, or the autoimmune condition known as Long-Covid. 10% of COVID-19 patients (after initial infection) have long term symptoms including an IQ drop of 5-10 points if their cases were severe.
5) We *thought* that the vaccines would prevent superspreader events. The episode in Massachusetts proved us wrong. However, it should be known that few of those vaccinated patients suffered anything more than basically a URI. (Only 1% were hospitalized)
6) if Delta has viral loads as heavy as they say, I suspect that masking will have even less benefit than the 30-50% transmission reduction that it had before. Ditto social distancing, surface sanitation, and contact tracing. Vaccination, while imperfect at preventing illness, appears to be a more important defense than ever.
7) the “breakthrough” cases that are hospitalized in Chattanooga are typically not COVID pneumonia, but either among vulnerable people who are unable to tolerate colds or bronchitis regardless of the cause, or they’re hospitalized for something else and just have a positive test.
8 ) the FDA delays are, in my opinion, unforgivable. We have literally more data and greater scrutiny about these new mRNA vaccines than any other medicine ever.
9) No telling when the vaccines will be available for kids. The number of kids that’d need to be tested to prove meaningful benefit would be very high. I suspect licensing will come too late to help much.
10) Having an outbreak *now* rather than in November as I previously predicted, is actually a good thing. It hastens our move from PANdemic virus to ENdemic virus. Once we all have antibodies, it will live among us as a nuisance forever. Like other respiratory viruses, it will continue to have an annual death toll among the highest risk, but as Great Britain (who had a >90% antibody rate going into the Delta outbreak) is demonstrating, the lethality of the virus is WAY less on the second go-around, regardless of immunity was acquired naturally or via vaccination. The end game is near.

And when asked by a mom what advice he would give to the mother of a 9 year old, he said this
Best advice would be to not stress too much about it. It’s a very (not zero
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) low risk illness for young kids. Get the flu shot when it’s available. Play outside more than inside. Keep her home if she gets sick. Make sure the adults she’s around are vaxxed. Gonna be okay!
 
I’m fully vaccinated and just simply not scared anymore of COVID or any variants. That is the point of the vaccine right? COVID is here to stay folks. We’re all gonna get it at some point. We have to move on with our lives. I’m fully vaccinated and the data says that my symptoms will be mild if/when I get it. If you choose not to get vaccinated, that’s your choice. You also have to face the consequences.
Ditto.
 
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I’m fully vaccinated and just simply not scared anymore of COVID or any variants. That is the point of the vaccine right? COVID is here to stay folks. We’re all gonna get it at some point. We have to move on with our lives. I’m fully vaccinated and the data says that my symptoms will be mild if/when I get it. If you choose not to get vaccinated, that’s your choice. You also have to face the consequences.
100% It really is that simple. And the data supports it. Deaths are low because vaccines and natural immunity work. So there should be no mandates, no restrictions, certainly no lockdowns because these things are working. Very clearly.
 
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This is from a local doc who is highly respected. He's been on the front lines since day one. Just passing his thoughts along.



And when asked by a mom what advice he would give to the mother of a 9 year old, he said this
Dang, this is great news. Many of us have been saying this for a long time. Thanks for sharing.
 
Good new vaccines are working. This could be us if people stopped with the misinformation and propaganda.



“The fact that we don't have a single patient in ICU is incredible, an incredible sign of progress and the success of the vaccination effort,” Brown said.
 
Good new vaccines are working. This could be us if people stopped with the misinformation and propaganda.



“The fact that we don't have a single patient in ICU is incredible, an incredible sign of progress and the success of the vaccination effort,” Brown said.

What misinformation are you talking about?
 
So tests concluding that masks are ineffective in preventing the transmission of diseases is somehow irrelevant if conducted prior to the Covid pandemic?
cmon man! Data changes based upon studies and new information. People used to think smoking was good for you
 
People are scared man. That's why you try to point out reality. Here is the data. It's not coming from some strange source that can't be trusted. Here it is. Cases have risen, but deaths have not. It cannot be disputed. And yet people will ignore that and pay attention to cases of which many are asymptomatic, because of what we've dealt with for a year now. That's why I posted it. Read that, get vaccinated if you want and protect yourself, and then relax.
There are also a lot of people living better than they ever have or ever will again thanks to the federal unemployment supplement, the eviction moratorium, and stimulus checks. Those people don’t want this to ever end.
 
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cmon man! Data changes based upon studies and new information. People used to think smoking was good for you

Are you serious or joking? A recent study about whether face diapers protects against the transmission of airborne diseases should be relevant regardless if it is before or after the start of the covid pandemic. The fact that people want to disregard the older studies (non-politicized) means something to rational people.
 
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I hate YouTube doctor types in general but I saw this last night and it at least seemed positive and rational. I believe that adults have ability to gauge their own risk and should be freely able to do so without govt interference as long as it does the larger public no harm. I can also see why some parents are concerned about children under 12 returning to schools where masks are not mandatory. I get it and I can be empathetic towards that concern. However, shutting down the economy and mask mandates for grown adults is absurd at this point if these vaccines work this well at reducing hospital visits and death. Hopefully this is a quick spike and it will recede quickly.
 
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I had a cold and sinus crap with a brief fever about a month ago and I still can’t taste or smell like I did before. I tested negative for covid on a rapid test but it still makes me wonder if it was accurate.
 
I hate YouTube doctor types in general but I saw this last night and it at least seemed positive and rational. I believe that adults have ability to gauge their own risk and should be freely able to do so without govt interference as long as it does the larger public no harm. I can also see why some parents are concerned about children under 12 returning to schools where masks are not mandatory. I get it and I can be empathetic towards that concern. However, shutting down the economy and mask mandates for grown adults is absurd at this point if these vaccines work this well at reducing hospital visits and death. Hopefully this is a quick spike and it will recede quickly.


I didn't watch the video, but I am basically with your line of thinking. I don't understand this "one side or the other" type argument going on in here. We know where each poster stands. I am more down the middle where I am freely out and about but do have some concern with 4 kids going back to school. There won't be an economic shutdown again, at least in the reasonable states. I have also never understood the big deal on masks as we've made it a political issue as to an individual right (which it isn't). I don't want to have to wear one and understand government not wanting to force them, but I will be happy to comply if asked to wear one. I have probably had the healthiest year and a half in a long time, and I go to work every day. I can see limiting some indoor gatherings for a bit, but I believe outdoor events will be fine.
 
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"Despite ‘Delta’ Alarmism, US COVID Deaths Are at Lowest Level Since March 2020"

"Now, some would cite rising COVID-19 case counts or hospitalizations in certain parts of the country as evidence that the pandemic is indeed once again spiraling out of control. But many COVID-19 cases recorded as positive are either asymptomatic or come with very mild symptoms—especially the cases confirmed among vaccinated individuals—so high case counts are not necessarily proof of a serious problem. Hospitalizations are concerning, yes, but primarily insofar as they lead to high numbers of deaths, which, thankfully, is not the case so far with the Delta variant.

"That’s right: despite all the alarmism and clamor for renewed restrictions on our liberty, there’s not really been a resurgence in the state of the COVID-19 crisis itself.

“We should be declaring a great and resounding success,” Bhattacharya told FEE in conclusion. “The COVID emergency is over. We still need to take COVID seriously, and there are still vulnerable people here and abroad left to vaccinate. But we can start to treat it as one disease among many that afflict people rather than an all-consuming threat.”

The article also states the actual reason its not a threat is because of vaccinated people.
 
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