Coronavirus (No politics)

[Bassmaster_Vol]

There’s no need for data, its the same with TB, but if you get it you might die.
It’s the unvaccinated that are being hospitalized, having a lot of long term illness and death.

Well, according to that study, natural infection is much stronger than vaccine. So I have natural immunity; don't need the vaccine.

 

[Hardy]

An ailment would indicate a disease that is not communicable. This is an infection that can be passed from person to person.

How about the flu? What if, prior to every football or other sporting event they tested all coaches and players, and anyone with the flu, even if they felt fine, was eliminated from play?

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Did you mean to say it has not been very effective?

I get a weekly report from our county health department. We recently had a "spike" in cases. So far all of the people who were hospitalized were not vaccinated. About 10% in my anecdote had been vaccinated. Other counties near me though report about 50%.

Here's the kicker. ZERO people who previously had the virus have been reinfected in my county. Naturally acquired immunity appears to be more effective than any of the vaccines.... of course those with friends in high places like Fauci et al cannot make money from natural immunity... only vaccines.

Dr. Fauci does not one cent from Covid vaccine sales. The only people who make money from vaccine sales are the companies who manufacture the vaccines unless you receive the vaccine from a private physician who can charge for an office visit. Health Departments and most Drug stores will administer the vaccine at no charge.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Well, according to that study, natural infection is much stronger than vaccine. So I have natural immunity; don't need the vaccine.

I have both

 

[Weezer]

Okay - and if they learned something during the trials that made them question the safety at all, it would not have been approved.

But they have no idea about possible long term effects.

 

[05_never_again]

I actually noticed some of my farther right friends starting to fall into the anti-vaxx camp in the 2 to 4 years before Covid. That's anecdotal of course, but I think there was a shift happening before Covid, and Covid just hastened the process.

Yup. I have conservative family members who are anti-vaxx and have been for several years now. I think their particular strand of it comes from a skepticism/dislike of doctors (i.e., thinks they are only really needed in emergency situations), but not totally sure.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

But getting vaccinated doesn’t stop you from getting Covid so…

I mean… I have been all over the world since I got Covid and got my vaccine and have not contracted it again yet.

Was in a country for a month with only a 1% vaccine rate and also had the Delta Variant in that country and I did not contract COVID. So I would say being vaccinated has contributed to that.

 

[Volinlife]

The size of the populations of both of those groups is relevant. Disregarding that is either ignorant or disingenuous. Basically, a vaccinated person has much less of a chance of being in the hospital than an unvaccinated person

Populations are close to half and half, to make an argument as though they are not is disingenuous. Granted, I'm not the best at statistics but if populations are equal, 60% of new cases are unvaccinated people, does that mean 40% of new cases are what...vaccinated? What other category opposite of unvaccinated is there?

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

But they have no idea about possible long term effects.

I mean they have been testing mRNA vaccines for 10 years. But you are right…. They don’t know the long term effects. They still don’t know the long term effects of half the vaccines ever created. Because there is no true way to know. Everyone’s bodies are different

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

which one? There are three.

Of 5 million vaccinated in Israel there are 275 possible links with the Pfizer vaccine (not just young kids) who could of possibly developed myocarditis from getting the vaccine…..

However, they have no true way of knowing this. Maybe they already had it prior to the vaccine. Most doctors don’t even look into that kind of stuff without reason to.

 

[Daniel_Lincolns_Foot]

I like people saying they know tons of people who died as a result of getting the vaccine.

No you don't.

 

[Go aeiou]

well again, we aren't the ones who made it political. The only reason it is political is because of the way the left has treated it. We have been lied to constantly, had rights taken away, seen our churches shut down, etc. etc. There is no reason to believe the narrative out there because we have been lied to so often about this virus by the media and by politicians. Heck, we've been lied to by the CDC and so called disease expert Fauci. He's done nothing but lie ever since this began.

As for the vaccine. I'm not going to die from the virus because I'm not 85 nor do I have multiple co-morbidities. But further, again, anyone who wants the vaccine can get the vaccine. I'm not stopping you or anyone else from getting it. So me not having it should not affect you or anyone else if the vaccine really works. If the vaccine works and keeps people from getting the virus or keeps them from having severe symptoms, then why do those who have the vaccine care if I get it or not?

I'm not going to stick a chemical in my body that I do not need just to make people who already have the vaccine feel better. You're safe. Leave me, and more importantly, my children, alone.

"Seen our churches shut down"
Are you saying only the right goes to church? Just your church.
My church made that decision on their on.

 

[bamawriter]

Populations are close to half and half, to make an argument as though they are not is disingenuous. Granted, I'm not the best at statistics but if populations are equal, 60% of new cases are unvaccinated people, does that mean 40% of new cases are what...vaccinated? What other category opposite of unvaccinated is there?

But what population are we talking about that is roughly 50/50 vaxxed vs. unvaxxed and is 40/60 on the infection rates respectively? Are you presenting a pure hypothetical?

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Because we care about our grandparents whose odds are nowhere near 98%.

Did granny not get the vaccination?

Ita free... you may want to pass that on to her

 

[Daniel_Lincolns_Foot]

Physicians sign death certificates, not hospitals. And physicians have no financial incentive to list COVID as cause of death like hospitals do or did. So unless hospitals were in cahoots with physicians to have death certificates falsely signed off as COVID related (either with COVID as cause of death or directly contributing to death) its very unlikely that happened. The hospital administrator would be fired and or sent to jail for falsifying Medicare documents and the hospital would be fined huge amounts. If you KNOW of a hospital that did that please advise and I will file a whistleblower complaint, or you could do the same and reap the financial reward.

Death certificates list the cause of death and any immediately related contributing factors so if a person died that had heart disease, tested positive for COVID AND had symptoms and lab finding to support that COVID infection contributed to his/her dealth the death certificates would so state... and that would be a COVID related death. However, if a person dies from some other cause and only tested positive for COVID without having any clinical or lab findings to support that COVID was a directly related cause of death that would not count as a COVID related.

I don't think people realize just how many different levels of administration hospitals have when it comes to invoicing/payments--each with checks and balances/liability.

The thought that hospitals are falsifying a majority of their records as it pertains to Covid is just wrong and stupid as hell.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

I’ve lived in FL the whole time during the pandemic. I’m doing fine, everyone I know is doing great, people who live here are extremely happy about it and people are moving here at a Warpspeed pace.

We enjoy our freedom, we don’t allow politicians to dictate our vaccination choices, and we live and let live. We’re free. If you can’t accept that, don’t come, or wear a mask up to your eyeballs if you so choose. Floridians will be fine either way.

I mean it's not like TN is much different than Florida at this point or the entire south. Don't know why they are even going after FLA like that.

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

The polio vaccine doesn't guarantee protection, but it managed to wipe out the disease in the developed world.

As did the smallpox vaccine. I don’t know if it’s anywhere in the world now.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

"Seen our churches shut down"
Are you saying only the right goes to church? Just your church.
My church made that decision on their on.

No, I’m saying many churches have been forced to shut down here and in Canada especially where multiple pastors have been arrested.

Even in America, John MacArthur was fined 10k a week for continuing to have church and the government did everything they could to try and shut them down so they had a legal battle for over a year. In other states, strip clubs and casinos were open, churches were shut down by the government, not by choice.

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

I like people saying they know tons of people who died as a result of getting the vaccine.

No you don't.

I agree. People saying crap like that doesn’t help a bit.

 

[MAD]

Well, according to that study, natural infection is much stronger than vaccine. So I have natural immunity; don't need the vaccine.

The claim that immunity from infection is always stronger than immunity from vaccines is PARTLY FALSE, based on research. While natural immunity tends to last longer than vaccine immunity, experts say it depends on the pathogen. Vaccines for HPV, tetanus and pneumococcal provide stronger immunity than the disease itself. Scientists are still studying the coronavirus, but evidence from experts, public health officials and research suggests COVID-19 vaccines provide more consistent and safer protection than infection.

 

[bamawriter]

Did granny not get the vaccination?

Ita free... you may want to pass that on to her

Sure she did. She's better protected if we're both vaccinated.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

The claim that immunity from infection is always stronger than immunity from vaccines is PARTLY FALSE, based on research. While natural immunity tends to last longer than vaccine immunity, experts say it depends on the pathogen. Vaccines for HPV, tetanus and pneumococcal provide stronger immunity than the disease itself. Scientists are still studying the coronavirus, but evidence from experts, public health officials and research suggests COVID-19 vaccines provide more consistent and safer protection than infection.

Not according to the study coming out of Israel that I linked above where natural immunity is said to be 700% more effective than vax immunity

 

[utvolpj]

Okay - and if they learned something during the trials that made them question the safety at all, it would not have been approved.

They aren't approved yet. Human trials are still active

 

[Daniel_Lincolns_Foot]

I agree. People saying crap like that doesn’t help a bit.

It's like when you talk about US healthcare and all of a sudden people knows someone who come to the US from Canada for healthcare, and can vouch for the fact that the Canadian healthcare system sucks.

You live in Memphis, Daryl. You've never met or even spoken with anyone from Canada. I have lived a majority of my life 45 minutes from the Canadian border, and hell, I've never even met anyone from Canada.

 

[Jaws]

I mean it's not like TN is much different than Florida at this point or the entire south. Don't know why they are even going after FLA like that.

A big reason is because the Governor of Florida is very likely your next Biden (Harris) opponent, depending on what Trump does. So Desantis is already taking slings and arrows from the usual corners.

Agree on TN, great state, beautiful, great place to live.