Coronavirus (No politics)

[bamawriter]

Imagine 100 people get infected and 60 of them are unvaccinated and 40 of them are.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. While I have no trouble "imagining" such a scenario, it would exist only in my imagination as that ratio is nowhere close to what's actually happening in reality, as the post you quoted indicates.

 

[JohnWardForever]

And a healthy young persons odds of dying from COVID are equally minuscule. Just don’t think it’s right the way it’s being pushed on young people

Yes. Why are they pushing the shot? They told us from jump that young people weren't affected by covid. NOW, they want to Jab from 6 months & Up! The goalposts keep moving. Take your Zinc, Vitamin D, C, E, And an ionophore to get the zinc inside the cell (Quinine, Quercetin, Green Tea) and you will have no issues with covid. There is more here than a Vaccine to keep us from covid. Lots More.

 

[LouderVol]

Good. As long as they aren't doing something stupid like testing players that are both vaccinated and asymptomatic, there's absolutely no reason why anyone should have to sit more than a couple of guys at a time because of Covid. If your team doesn't get vaccinated and has an outbreak, the opponent shouldn't be inconvenienced.

If you are worried about Covid why not test everyone?

If you are asymptomatic what difference is there between vax and not?

 

[WebbCobb]

Imagine 100 people get infected and 60 of them are unvaccinated and 40 of them are.

The size of the populations of both of those groups is relevant. Disregarding that is either ignorant or disingenuous. Basically, a vaccinated person has much less of a chance of being in the hospital than an unvaccinated person

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Young people are far far far less likely to even catch it because they have far fewer of the ACE receptors necessary to even contract the illness. Have you not been paying attention?

Who gets covid most often? Adults
Who dies from covid? Ederly and people with prior health issues

While that was true with previous variants, the delta variant is affecting younger people. The one key difference with the delta variant is that it can replicate at a MUCH higher rate than previous variants. In other words, if you get it, then your viral load is going to be significantly higher than with the alpha variant and you're going to be shedding more of the virus. That results in two things...you're much more likely to get severely ill and you're more likely to spread it to others. What you mentioned about fewer ACE receptors in children...that's more easily overcome by a much higher viral load. The only defense if you get exposed is if you're vaccinated. You might very well get a little sick, but it's highly unlikely you get severely sick and your odds of dying are almost zero.

My cousin's mother-in-law is 49 and was in perfect health with no issues. She's fighting for her life at Emory hooked up to an ECMO machine and on a vent. My cousin's husband is only 30 and has months of recovery left after being hospitalized. He says the plasma treatment they gave him saved his life. Neither were vaccinated and had no health issues...not overweight either. My cousin's one year old spent a few days at Children's Healthcare of Atlanta with a high fever and other more flu-like issues. All had the delta variant. Most of that family was anti-vaccine and have quickly changed their tune. I hope you and others who are against it don't end up in a similar situation.

 

[bamawriter]

If you are worried about Covid why not test everyone?

If you are asymptomatic what difference is there between vax and not?

It is possible, though relatively unlikely, to transmit the virus while asymptomatic. That already unlikely possibility is further reduced when the asymptomatic person has been vaccinated. At that point every reasonable step has been taken to prevent an outbreak, and testing purely for the sake of testing is just being punitive for no good reason.

ETA: As I consider it a bit further, at the SEC's threshold goal of 85% fully-vaxxed, the likelihood of an outbreak from an asymptomatic person is so low that I could see a good argument for not bothering to test anyone unless they show symptoms.

 

[joevol33]

I am an educator, like most other educators we had the “option” of getting the vaccine as a group during the last school year. We were given the J and J shot. I am in very good health but I have never felt sicker in my life than the 24-48 hour period after getting the vaccine along with 10-15 other colleagues of mine out of a building of 70-75 staff members. I had a 103 degree fever and could literally feel my body reacting to the vaccine. It was very odd. I have had the flu vaccine many times with no reactions. No one died or was admitted into the hospital but if I were older or had underlying health issues I could understand being hesitant about it. I can’t speak for the other vaccines and reactions to them

I honestly think the vaccine is like the virus, as in it is different for different people. I lost a friend because of corona, and seen many test positive with no symptoms whatsoever. My wife got it, and barely had a cough, and I was sure it would kill her.

 

[wmcovol]

Not sure how I'd feel about our first victory over bama in 15 years coming via COVID forfeit...

Id take it and never look back. Buck Fama!

 

[freedom fighter]

Yes. Why are they pushing the shot? They told us from jump that young people weren't affected by covid. NOW, they want to Jab from 6 months & Up! The goalposts keep moving. Take your Zinc, Vitamin D, C, E, And an ionophore to get the zinc inside the cell (Quinine, Quercetin, Green Tea) and you will have no issues with covid. There is more here than a Vaccine to keep us from covid. Lots More.

Exactly correct

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

As for the vaccine. I'm not going to die from the virus because I'm not 85 nor do I have multiple co-morbidities. But further, again, anyone who wants the vaccine can get the vaccine. I'm not stopping you or anyone else from getting it. So me not having it should not affect you or anyone else if the vaccine really works. If the vaccine works and keeps people from getting the virus or keeps them from having severe symptoms, then why do those who have the vaccine care if I get it or not?

See my previous post. You're mistaken to believe you won't die from COVID since you're not old or have health issues. As for people caring about you being vaccinated...I know it might be hard to understand, but some people do actually care about the wellbeing of people they don't know. I consider that an important part of my own walk with Christ. I don't know you, but I don't want you to get sick and possibly die a preventable death. I also realize that the more people get vaccinated, the harder it is for the virus to spread, the less people will die, and the quicker we can truly get back to normal. There's nothing political or callous about it.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

See my previous post. You're mistaken to believe you won't die from COVID since you're not old or have health issues. As for people caring about you being vaccinated...I know it might be hard to understand, but some people do actually care about the wellbeing of people they don't know. I consider that an important part of my own walk with Christ. I don't know you, but I don't want you to get sick and possibly die a preventable death. I also realize that the more people get vaccinated, the harder it is for the virus to spread, the less people will die, and the quicker we can truly get back to normal. There's nothing political or callous about it.

1. I’ve had the virus. Mild chest cold for about 2 days.

2. I have a right to weigh the risks of taking/not taking the virus. It’s my decision. But thanks for caring.

3. Again, if other people take the vaccine, they’re safe from me if the vaccine works.

4. Vax or no vax has nothing to do with your walk with Christ.

 

[flatiron]

It’s a government ran database and you requested a link. It’s quite obvious you believe your opinion and your research is the truth. That’s fine with me. I was just providing a link. Have a great night.

But you linked to an extremely biased website with an article written by a community college student

 

[orangemadam]

why not just get the d_mn shot! It doesn't hurt and the side effects are negligible. get it over with already.

 

[UpstateVol613]

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

1. I’ve had the virus. Mild chest cold for about 2 days.

2. I have a right to weigh the risks of taking/not taking the virus. It’s my decision. But thanks for caring.

3. Again, if other people take the vaccine, they’re safe from me if the vaccine works.

4. Vax or no vax has nothing to do with your walk with Christ.

On point 1, I doubt you had the delta variant, so apples to oranges in some ways. On point 2, I never said you didn't have that right...so, kind of an odd defensive response. On point 3, no argument. On point 4...well, you completely missed my point which was about caring about the wellbeing of others.

 

[dobre_shunka]

why not just get the d_mn shot! It doesn't hurt and the side effects are negligible. get it over with already.

The microchip in mine got stuck in my vein for a minute but the nurse said it would break free and make its way to my brain in less than an hour. Turned out she was right and everything has been good since.

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

RIGHT! I just had a Friend DIE from covid, 48 and Fully Vaccinated. And a Nurse hospitalized with Blood Clots; Vaccinated. Peddle it elsewhere.

Sorry your friend died.
I’ve not seen one reputable medical professional say it’s a bad idea to get the vaccines. Ignore the data if it makes you feel better.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

On point 1, I doubt you had the delta variant, so apples to oranges in some ways. On point 2, I never said you didn't have that right...so, kind of an odd defensive response. On point 3, no argument. On point 4...well, you completely missed my point which was about caring about the wellbeing of others.

There is a lot of contradicting info on the delta variant. With all of the lies, why should I believe one side verses another? I’m not worried about the delta. If it is true that it’s worse and I get it and die, then it was my time as God ordained, and in fine with that.

I didn’t miss your point. But nobody is talking about caring for the well being of others. We all care for others, except Newt who wants non vaxxers to die. But me getting or not getting the vaccine is usually tied in by some extreme gymnastics to equate to caring or not caring for other people. It’s not, which was my point.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

It was leveraged as a political thing because the left saw an opportunity to turn it into a weapon against the right who were, at the time, in control. Given the chance, the right will try to return the favor in the next election. Things are only ever made political when one party or the other sees it as a chance to gain power.

I believe it was leveraged as a political thing by right-wing media spreading false information and cramming people full of conspiracies about the govt wanting to inject people with an experiment.

 

[The Original Fade]

Right! The number is actually closer to 12,000. They won't acknowledge the deaths, that would likely mess up the Shot for ALL plan. I know of 5 vax deaths. Funny how the CDC wanted all deaths possible classified as Covid, but the deaths from the Shot------"No evidence death was caused by the vaccine". Double standard; anyone? You shouldn't be able to have it both ways!! Some on VN need to study up; instead of taking Fauci's word for everything. He has Lied numerous times, He OWNS several patents related to the vaccines. No conflict of interest? Geeze people; stop surface skimming!

You’re entitled to your tin foil hat theories, just don’t pi$$ and moan when you have to mask up in public

 

[The Original Fade]

Yes. Why are they pushing the shot? They told us from jump that young people weren't affected by covid. NOW, they want to Jab from 6 months & Up! The goalposts keep moving. Take your Zinc, Vitamin D, C, E, And an ionophore to get the zinc inside the cell (Quinine, Quercetin, Green Tea) and you will have no issues with covid. There is more here than a Vaccine to keep us from covid. Lots More.

How will your life change for the worse if you get the vaccine?

 

[MAD]

I believe it was leveraged as a political thing by right-wing media spreading false information and cramming people full of conspiracies about the govt wanting to inject people with an experiment.

Unfortunately whoever is in office when something positive happens it benefits them. So I get the hesitation. I just wish politics could be taken out of the equation and it was left to the doctors. I also wish we could come together as a country to deal with the pandemic the same way we did after 9/11.

 

[The Original Fade]

They call them "experimental" for a reason sparky.

"Conspiracy Theory" was a CIA construct designed to discredit the person "connecting the dots" between cause/effect relationships. I wouldn't discredit them all.

Foo Fighters "vaccinated only show" was postponed after breakout of COVID within the Foo Fighters vaccinated camp. If the vaccine is that effective - please explain.
Foo Fighters ‘Vaccinated Only’ Concert Canceled After Fully Vaccinated Member Gets COVID

Texas Democrats fleeing the state to avoid a vote on improving the integrity of the voting process in Texas had COVID outbreaks within their "vaccinated" private aircraft to DC. If the vaccine is truly effective please explain.
More Texas Democrats Test Positive For Coronavirus After Fleeing State To Subvert Democracy | The Daily Wire

I could go on....

And I have a friend whose 15 year old athlete son was minutes away from being intubated from COVID. See? We all have our examples to fit our narrative.

What can’t be disputed is that in geographies where there is a high vaccination rate there is a corresponding low infection and hospitalization rate

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

There is a lot of contradicting info on the delta variant. With all of the lies, why should I believe one side verses another? I’m not worried about the delta. If it is true that it’s worse and I get it and die, then it was my time as God ordained, and in fine with that.

I didn’t miss your point. But nobody is talking about caring for the well being of others. We all care for others, except Newt who wants non vaxxers to die. But me getting or not getting the vaccine is usually tied in by some extreme gymnastics to equate to caring or not caring for other people. It’s not, which was my point.

Fair enough on the risks, skepticism, and your acceptance of it. As for the last part, I think your point is that you not getting the vaccine has nothing to do with YOU not caring about others. I never argued against that. I can share my viewpoint without implying that you don't care about others. If that's what you took from it, then that's a bit of a defensive response. I don't think I've attacked you in any way. I'm not Newt...I would rather be wrong and hope that this variant somehow doesn't spread like crazy and kill a lot of people.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Unfortunately whoever is in office when something positive happens it benefits them. So I get the hesitation. I just wish politics could be taken out of the equation and it was left to the doctors. I also wish we could come together as a country to deal with the pandemic the same way we did after 9/11.

This x1000. Why the heck does anyone listen to politicians or talking heads on 24hr news channels over actual virologists and actual data. I get that even some of the doctors get political, but there seems to be a pretty significant amount of agreement in the medical community about COVID and the delta variant to make a well informed decision. Damn politics...