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SweetasSoda said:
Yes. Hoping I can get in to the first Vols game before it starts.
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I wonder how Americans will react. It won’t happen in Florida under Desantis or Texas under Abbott. But some governors would be completely on board. Gubernatorial elections are going to be even more important going forward
 
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bignewt said:
Just get vaxxed if you want to work around the team. It's a reasonable request. It's not a big deal.
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What if you have had a natural infection and have the anti-bodies through that? There is evidence that some people in that category experience a spike in their immune response after getting a natural infection and the vaccine causing serious negative side effects as a result. If someone is forced to get a vaccine to perform their job even though they didn't want it and have a serious adverse side effect that causes long term issues, can they then turn around and sue the organization that required the vaccination in the process?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I wonder how Americans will react. It won’t happen in Florida under Desantis or Texas under Abbott. But some governors would be completely on board. Gubernatorial elections are going to be even more important going forward
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Tourism to states that require it would plummet. Also the exodus from places that require it would probably accelerate.
 
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Glitch said:
I was debating on whether I should try to go to the BG game or not. I had not thought about them shutting down attendance again. Commie bastards.
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Really hoping to get to the first one. Seems like it will be a celebration of overcoming last year before the next wave begins.
 
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bignewt said:
Just get vaxxed if you want to work around the team. It's a reasonable request. It's not a big deal.
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True. It's for the players and staff. How could you tell all your players they have to go interview and be surrounded by tons of unvaxxed media members? Would get a lot of blowback imo.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
But if you have the vaccine should it not work?
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95% (or far less for that one..something like 65%?)...but if someone is breathing down your throat...?

Different if it's just yourself being interviewed, that's your choice. But asking a whole team... that is dealing with others' health and they may not feel comfortable with that.

Ultimately, interviewing is a job, a privilege. It's contractual, not a right. If the interviewees don't feel safe or comfortable, then that's that.
 
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Devo182 said:
95% (or far less for that one..something like 65%?)...but if someone is breathing down your throat...?

Different if it's just yourself being interviewed, that's your choice. But asking a whole team... that is dealing with others' health and they may not feel comfortable with that.

Ultimately, interviewing is a job, a privilege. It's contractual, not a right. If the interviewees don't feel safe or comfortable, then that's that.
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Sorta like getting vaccinated should be a choice right?
 
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Glitch said:
What if you have had a natural infection and have the anti-bodies through that? There is evidence that some people in that category experience a spike in their immune response after getting a natural infection and the vaccine causing serious negative side effects as a result. If someone is forced to get a vaccine to perform their job even though they didn't want it and have a serious adverse side effect that causes long term issues, can they then turn around and sue the organization that required the vaccination in the process?
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You CAN sue for anything. Good luck with the judges out there.
 
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Glitch said:
What if you have had a natural infection and have the anti-bodies through that? There is evidence that some people in that category experience a spike in their immune response after getting a natural infection and the vaccine causing serious negative side effects as a result. If someone is forced to get a vaccine to perform their job even though they didn't want it and have a serious adverse side effect that causes long term issues, can they then turn around and sue the organization that required the vaccination in the process?
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Exactly. We find that situation to be the case in our home with my wife.

What I care about is mandating the use of an unproven, not fully approved and animal tested, experimental "vaccine" gene therapy in order to have involvement with any entity or activity. That slippery slope is slick as owl shiz.

Amazing how herd immunity disappeared from the public discussion when we long surpassed herd immunity.

We all know this disease/vax routine will continue infinitum. Trillions and world domination are at stake.
 
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Glitch said:
What if you have had a natural infection and have the anti-bodies through that? There is evidence that some people in that category experience a spike in their immune response after getting a natural infection and the vaccine causing serious negative side effects as a result. If someone is forced to get a vaccine to perform their job even though they didn't want it and have a serious adverse side effect that causes long term issues, can they then turn around and sue the organization that required the vaccination in the process?
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I'm not an anti-vaxer or posi-vaxer. Everyone should choose what's right for them. I do know two different people, one 30yo that have had it twice. The first time he had hardly any symptoms, mild cold like. The only reason he knew he had it was because he applied for a job that required an antibody test. His first infection was in spring of last year. He just recently caught the Delta variant. He's a stauch anti-vaxer. The Delta hit him hard. He's going to be ok but it had him down for a good while.

I don't think the natural antibodies last all that long.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not an anti-vaxer or posi-vaxer. Everyone should choose what's right for them. I do know two different people, one 30yo that have had it twice. The first time he had hardly any symptoms, mild cold like. The only reason he knew he had it was because he applied for a job that required an antibody test. His first infection was in spring of last year. He just recently caught the Delta variant. He's a stauch anti-vaxer. The Delta hit him hard. He's going to be ok but it had him down for a good while.

I don't think the natural antibodies last all that long.
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yup
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not an anti-vaxer or posi-vaxer. Everyone should choose what's right for them. I do know two different people, one 30yo that have had it twice. The first time he had hardly any symptoms, mild cold like. The only reason he knew he had it was because he applied for a job that required an antibody test. His first infection was in spring of last year. He just recently caught the Delta variant. He's a stauch anti-vaxer. The Delta hit him hard. He's going to be ok but it had him down for a good while.

I don't think the natural antibodies last all that long.
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And there are people who had the virus, had the vaccine, and the Delta hit them hard. Thing is we don't know a lot about the virus or vaccine, but people want to insist others do what they're told without asking questions so they can feel safe.
 
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Vols4us said:
Amazing how herd immunity disappeared from the public discussion when we long surpassed herd immunity.
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Curious how we passed herd immunity. Nobody even knows the exact number, but the often quoted threshold is 70-80% for various issues.

We are, as a nation, only 48% fully vaccinated. We've had 33mm reported cases (~9% of population). Obviously there could be overlap here as well...there could also be re-infections, along with unreported cases, especially early on. But it would seem to be very optimistic at this point to say we've hit 70-80%, if that is the true threshold. It also goes by communities. If 1 state is 70% vaxxed and another, say...idk...ALABAMA is only 33%...those far away vaccinated folks don't help Alabama's herd immunity much.

Fwiw it's been talked about A LOT ever since the vaccine rolled out. The worry is too many healthy folks will opt to not get it and this could prevent us from reaching HI soon (hopefully we'll reach it regardless through vacc + infections + natural).
 
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SweetasSoda said:
And there are people who had the virus, had the vaccine, and the Delta hit them hard. Thing is we don't know a lot about the virus or vaccine, but people want to insist others do what they're told without asking questions so they can feel safe.
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That's why I said it's a personal choice. I think the data is pointing to the vaccine is much better at preventing covid than not getting vaccinated. I understand the worries about long term, unknown side effects. If there were for sure no long term risk, I'd say people would be dumb not to take the vaccine but the fact that we don't know, I can understand people's hesitancy.
 
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Devo182 said:
Curious how we passed herd immunity. Nobody even knows the exact number, but the often quoted threshold is 70-80% for various issues.

We are, as a nation, only 48% fully vaccinated. We've had 33mm reported cases (~9% of population). Obviously there could be overlap here as well...there could also be re-infections, along with unreported cases, especially early on. But it would seem to be very optimistic at this point to say we've hit 70-80%, if that is the true threshold. It also goes by communities. If 1 state is 70% vaxxed and another, say...idk...ALABAMA is only 33%...those far away vaccinated folks don't help Alabama's herd immunity much.
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Herd immunity threshold varies by strain. For something like Delta, it appears to be higher. And vax rate varies widely by region, so you'll likely see pockets of higher infection. Hopefully there will be enough infections during the summer months to get past this.

For now it's no big deal, summer is here and D levels are jacked. This Fall it could be more serious, but hopefully Delta will be chilling by then.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If the players are vaxxed, why should anyone worry about it? Does the vax work or not?
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At preventing hospitalization or death, yes it does, even with Delta. They still aren't sure how often Delta is getting past the vax, but early studies are suggesting much more often than prior strains.
 
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