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#12,752
Rasputin_Vol said:
Two people acted irresponsibly. You asked if they would run if they had a missing plate.

Equally, the question needs to be asked of cops if it is wise to engage in a chase over someone with no plates?
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So if an officer is walking down the street, and sees a homeless guy laying on the sidewalk blocking it. And attempts to go talk to him to get him to move or to identify him, and the guy pulls out a knife and tries to stab the officer, is it the officer's fault?

This is the same type of logic here.

Now me PERSONALLY, i would've terminated the pursuit if all I had was traffic charges, however, trying to justify a person attempting to kill an officer because "well the initial stop was minor" is rather weak
 
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#12,753
Rickyvol77 said:
So if an officer is walking down the street, and sees a homeless guy laying on the sidewalk blocking it. And attempts to go talk to him to get him to move or to identify him, and the guy pulls out a knife and tries to stab the officer, is it the officer's fault?

This is the same type of logic here.

Now me PERSONALLY, i would've terminated the pursuit if all I had was traffic charges, however, trying to justify a person attempting to kill an officer because "well the initial stop was minor" is rather weak
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Your analogy is weak. That driver was minding her own business not bothering anyone. Then this officer took it upon himself to engage in a dangerous chase.

Meanwhile, a homeless man blocking a sidewalk and attacking an officer is far different because the homeless person was obstructing and initiated the attack on the cop. This woman driver was neither obstructing nor initiating an attack.

I mean, are cops that board that they would rather chase down license plate violators and tinted windows than killers and robbers?
 
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#12,754
Rasputin_Vol said:
Your analogy is weak. That driver was minding her own business not bothering anyone. Then this officer took it upon himself to engage in a dangerous chase.

Meanwhile, a homeless man blocking a sidewalk and attacking an officer is far different because the homeless person was obstructing and initiated the attack on the cop. This woman driver was neither obstructing nor initiating an attack.

I mean, are cops that board that they would rather chase down license plate violators and tinted windows than killers and robbers?
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Driving to Atlanta tomorrow, about a 50/50 chance I get grifted for my window tint by the crooked GA tax collector patrol. Good times.
 
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#12,755
Rasputin_Vol said:
Your analogy is weak. That driver was minding her own business not bothering anyone. Then this officer took it upon himself to engage in a dangerous chase.

Meanwhile, a homeless man blocking a sidewalk and attacking an officer is far different because the homeless person was obstructing and initiated the attack on the cop. This woman driver was neither obstructing nor initiating an attack.

I mean, are cops that board that they would rather chase down license plate violators and tinted windows than killers and robbers?
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It is very common for stolen cars not to have license plates, so this isn't simply some officer who was "bored". They attempted to identify the vehicle and driver which is a lawful activity and the girl sped away, which led to stronger suspicion of something else altogether. Now i would've terminated the pursuit after the speeds of 100mph if that was true, however the girl tried to kill the officer. That can not be disputed, no matter how much you or others try to minimize it.
 
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#12,758
Rasputin_Vol said:
Two people acted irresponsibly. You asked if they would run if they had a missing plate.

Equally, the question needs to be asked of cops if it is wise to engage in a chase over someone with no plates?
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It could be. If someone runs because of something as simple as no plate then there’s probable cause to believe there is.
Most of the time I agree with you on police overreacting and overreach but this isn’t one of them.

Once again this highlights the need for an independent investigator not associated with that county.

Edit: if you run over something as simple as a missing or out of date plate then you potentially put me…and any other innocent driver on the road….in danger. Basically **** you
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Or….just stop people who don’t have a plate or a stolen tag.
You don’t have to drive. If you don’t want to comply with the laws of owning a car then take the bus
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Again, was this worthy of a high speed chase? If that's the case, we can justify a high speed chase for jaywalking.
 
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#12,763
Rasputin_Vol said:
No license plate
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Is that illegal?
Is that a common sign for more serious crimes such as auto thefts?
Is it a common indicator that if someone flees in such a car, that more criminal activity may be apparent?

Should officers NEVER enforce any minor laws and just let people do what they want with no consequences?
 
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#12,764
Orangeslice13 said:
It could be. If someone runs because of something as simple as no plate then there’s probable cause to believe there is.
Most of the time I agree with you on police overreacting and overreach but this isn’t one of them.

Once again this highlights the need for an independent investigator not associated with that county.

Edit: if you run over something as simple as a missing or out of date plate then you potentially put me…and any other innocent driver on the road….in danger. Basically **** you
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I'm not justifying the actions of that driver. This is about having these cops minimize the need for treating far too many traffic infractions like an action movie.
 
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#12,765
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not justifying the actions of that driver. This is about having these cops minimize the need for treating far too many traffic infractions like an action movie.
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So again, in your opinion should police never pursue someone ever for a misdemeanor if they run or drive off?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It was obviously too hard to just follow her at a distance and then confront when she’s out of the car. Perhaps even run the vin while she’s inside somewhere.
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Follow her at a distance at 100 mph? Inside where? and how do you run a VIN off a car from several feet away?
 
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#12,768
Rickyvol77 said:
Is that illegal?
Is that a common sign for more serious crimes such as auto thefts?
Is it a common indicator that if someone flees in such a car, that more criminal activity may be apparent?

Should officers NEVER enforce any minor laws and just let people do what they want with no consequences?
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See, you have no level of discernment. I didn't say never, nor did I say the driver wasn't without fault. I'm saying that the cop holds some accountability for how this ended up.
 
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#12,772
Rasputin_Vol said:
But if they do that, then they can't get that adrenalin rush and play cops and robbers on the taxpayer's dime.
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Unless they saw this woman commit a serious crime why even initiate a chase over a missing tag? You're right about the adrenaline rush over a chase because they must get bored writing speeding tickets and going to domestic disputes.
 
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#12,773
Rasputin_Vol said:
See, you have no level of discernment. I didn't say never, nor did I say the driver wasn't without fault. I'm saying that the cop holds some accountability for how this ended up.
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but you keep stating "it was no license plate" without recognizing that several similar incidents which the police do the exact same thing lead to arresting felons all the time, some in stolen cars, some simply with drugs, some that just were experience a medical issue, but it doesn't change the fact that the officer was following the law and the suspect is the one who escalated it to violence
 
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#12,774
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Can’t outrun the radio, right? There are ways to pursue someone that doesn’t put the public at risk. Especially for something as minor as a missing tag.
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I am sure interested in hearing your expertise on "how to pursue someone" without chasing them, especially in a vehicle with no identifiers lol
 
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#12,775
VolStrom said:
Unless they saw this woman commit a serious crime why even initiate a chase over a missing tag? You're right about the adrenaline rush over a chase because they must get bored writing speeding tickets and going to domestic disputes.
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How is it boredom over writing speeding tickets if the officer was trying to WRITE a ticket lol

And i am guessing you haven't been to many domestic disputes because "boredom" is not what officers feel on them
 
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