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VolMan1017 said:
It’s true and one maybe two other freshman are involved.
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Weezer said:
Someone in the FF has started a thread claiming TOS is talking about 4-5 football players getting caught up by UTPD in some kind of drug deal. He goes on to name Salter as being possibly involved. I want to say it's just complete BS, but my BVS says who the hell knows? If it turns out to be true, I'm gonna track down all of you who said "it can't get any worse" and kick you in the nether regions for tempting fate. Then I'm gonna hunt down Rohan's voodoo momma and beg she lift the curse.
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Maybe something to do with this...??


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bignewt said:
Not asking anybody to. Whatever gives one peace is A OK with me. It's not personally something I subscribe to and I feel I have damn good reasons why but I'm sure someone will take that personal and wish i wouldn't hate on the faithful.
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I’m burning your book
 
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Weezer said:
Someone in the FF has started a thread claiming TOS is talking about 4-5 football players getting caught up by UTPD in some kind of drug deal. He goes on to name Salter as being possibly involved. I want to say it's just complete BS, but my BVS says who the hell knows? If it turns out to be true, I'm gonna track down all of you who said "it can't get any worse" and kick you in the nether regions for tempting fate. Then I'm gonna hunt down Rohan's voodoo momma and beg she lift the curse.
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The sad thing about this is if it's true, I don't even care...get rid of All Pruitt’s recruits 🤡
 
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LA Vol said:
Henry T doesn't want to be at UT. The other players are enrolled and going through workouts. Everyone has been through a lot, it's a period of adjustment and some players aren't sure where-- or if-- they fit in now. So they'll go through spring football and see how it goes.

It takes time to rebuild trust, and the more bonding with the team, the better. Sometimes, it's just broken, and those guys will leave.
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It sucks if he doesn’t want to be here cause UT loyalty is something we all fans would love to see in our players. My question is, for someone who doesn’t want to be at UT, he certainly has been posting on his social media pictures of himself in tons of UT gear, pictures of current players (Baron and Hyatt recently) with messaging preaching family etc., Pictures of this past season. He hasn’t purged his social mafia of all thing UT like some have in the past.

So that makes me question...does he not want to be here or can he not be here? (Because of the allegations that he took money?)
 
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Vols4us said:
^ This.

Several of us pointed it out during the season. Bituli. Without him HT floundered. Without him Georgia State beat us at Neyland. Roll the tape and watch HT drift back and a couple seconds later start running toward the LOS on a bunch of the pass plays. He had zero sense of where the ball was going. He also took some really bad angles on all plays. The O-linemen tossed his around when he lost weight so he would have to run blitz the gaps to make run stops. Some of that is on the bad coaching, some of it is on Henry.
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All of this is fair. My guy found this clip
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
It’s generally accepted by many that Tennessee has in recent years underperformed its talent ranking. I was reading a piece by Athlon looking at the upcoming ’21 season and they provided a comparison of recruiting classes over the past five years along with how the teams have performed on the field in terms of wins and losses.

I ranked the teams by 3 categories, recruiting, all W/L, and conference W/L. Then I averaged those 3 rankings together to give the coaches a ranking. For example, here at Tennessee our coaches did best in recruiting but really not well at winning games. Kentucky doesn’t recruit very well but they do a lot better at winning games.

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Granted there’s a strength of schedule component that is missing but I still think the analysis suggests what most already know. We do okay in recruiting but seem to have difficulty if not developing our talent then at least we’re struggling to lead/motivate them. We’re not playing to our potential and I think that’s coaching and obviously there’s a lot of agreement with that or we wouldn’t have a revolving door to the coaching offices.

In previous posts I’ve made the claim that we have a better football team than our recent records indicate and further argued that that was all on the coaches. This is the reason I think if we got our coaching hires right this time I think we see an immediate and dramatic improvement in our on-field performance. Given the importance of the coaches in my thinking, I’ve spent many hours over the past few weeks trying to find out as much as I could about them – beyond the fluff that fanbases are typically fed in hopes of appeasing said fans until it becomes obvious those coaches weren’t good hires after all.

In my research I filtered out all local reporting and instead went to the coach’s previous stops and especially wanted to see the after departure reporting and sentiment. We got some guys people didn’t want to lose and hated to see them go. I tried to find views on all sides rather than just look for what I wanted to find. For example, I really spent probably the most time trying to find someone with credibility that would tell me that Heupel’s offense won’t work in the SEC. I really did look hard but I haven’t found anyone yet that I think can comment on that beyond fans and reporters. In fact, it’s just the opposite. The experts I’ve found think it will work.

So I wanted to figure out why Tim Banks wasn’t qualified to do the job we were hiring him for. The closer I looked it became obvious he actually does have the potential to be good at his job and he has a lot more experience than I was initially giving him credit for.

We were told in December of 2017, by people who knew, that Jeremy Pruitt did not have the temperament to be a head football coach. As a minimum we didn’t want to believe it so we dismissed it as sourced to folks who might be scared now that he was our coach. When we were told that we would have an abysmal season in 2017 we refused to believe that. The world hated us.

So this time around I’ve been looking for anything like that so I could investigate further and share it here. I haven’t really found anything other than most people, folks who I think might know, think it may take a little bit of time, maybe a couple years, to work through our issues, some of which I may not even know about.

When Mike Ekeler was announced as a member of our staff and his wanting to fight Pruitt was being talked about, unlike many of the playground cowboys in our fanbase, who presumably also wanted to punch Pruitt’s lights out, I thought that could be a problem bringing a hothead onto the staff. So I investigated.

When Mike was asked about it at his introduction he seemed amused (typical question from the peanut gallery) and instead pivoted to talk about his relationship to his players while at Nebraska, a relationship that on one scorching hot day led him to attempt a marathon run on their behalf. If Mike ever had the urge to punch Pruitt’s lights out I doubt it was because Pruitt did something to him. Mike strikes me as the guy who fights for those who may not be in a position to fight for themselves.

I investigated this new age thing that Heupel and others had let drop regarding their approach to the game. I found out it’s a thing particularly in the NFL. But as I continued to dig I discovered that it is also Matt Campbell’s secret. It’s how he was able to take a roster that 247 ranks below Vanderbilt and build a program that can compete for the B12 championship and knock off teams like Oregon in bowl games. Matt calls it Purpose and Process, building trust and a genuine family atmosphere. Almost every coach pays lip service to the family concept but based on the developing sense that I have of the home that Pruitt tried to build it was the poster child of broken homes and the Dad needed to go to jail.

Matt Campbell was my first choice and really only choice to become our new head coach not because I knew how he did what he did but that he did it. Iowa State is playing better football than it has played since 1912. He is a 100 year wonder boy. At the time I argued we needed someone who could do more with less and at the present moment I know of no one who can do more with less as compared to Matt. In due course I wanted to see if I could figure out what magic he was using. It just so happens that Danny White hired a guy who apparently is trying to use that same approach. I’ll be very attentive as things move forward, looking for signs we may enjoy similar results.
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Simply great work - again. Much appreciation.

Your Matt Campbell discussion explains why Matt Campbell is still at ISU. Family and loyalty are two way streets. He may leave at some point when he feels the work is done, but it will be to build it in a similar fashion for another employer who wants the same.

With the staff - too many are looking for problems before they happen, if they happen. There is not one coach that I can say is not qualified to be on the hill today - even Martinez. He gets a pass until proven otherwise because he now has support from a DC who is one the very best at the same job and because he can recruit. I don't get any negativity toward Banks. He may not have called the plays in his last job, but he knows how to and has called them prior to it.

I have reached the sit back and enjoy the process stage. CJH/staff have my full support. I feel a sea change of positive results coming.
 
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utvols88 said:
#DefundHR

HEY HEY! HO HO! HR HAS GOT TO GO!
EVERYONE SAY IT WITH ME!
HEY HEY! HO HO! HR HAS GOT TO GO!
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Due to some restructuring needs we are going in a different direction. We are offering a generous severance package of a year's salary in @frank bucks and this glow in the dark velvet cheagle painting signed by @frank himself.

We just need to get your access badge and we give you until the end of the day to clean out your desk.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
It’s generally accepted by many that Tennessee has in recent years underperformed its talent ranking. I was reading a piece by Athlon looking at the upcoming ’21 season and they provided a comparison of recruiting classes over the past five years along with how the teams have performed on the field in terms of wins and losses.

I ranked the teams by 3 categories, recruiting, all W/L, and conference W/L. Then I averaged those 3 rankings together to give the coaches a ranking. For example, here at Tennessee our coaches did best in recruiting but really not well at winning games. Kentucky doesn’t recruit very well but they do a lot better at winning games.

View attachment 356960

Granted there’s a strength of schedule component that is missing but I still think the analysis suggests what most already know. We do okay in recruiting but seem to have difficulty if not developing our talent then at least we’re struggling to lead/motivate them. We’re not playing to our potential and I think that’s coaching and obviously there’s a lot of agreement with that or we wouldn’t have a revolving door to the coaching offices.

In previous posts I’ve made the claim that we have a better football team than our recent records indicate and further argued that that was all on the coaches. This is the reason I think if we got our coaching hires right this time I think we see an immediate and dramatic improvement in our on-field performance. Given the importance of the coaches in my thinking, I’ve spent many hours over the past few weeks trying to find out as much as I could about them – beyond the fluff that fanbases are typically fed in hopes of appeasing said fans until it becomes obvious those coaches weren’t good hires after all.

In my research I filtered out all local reporting and instead went to the coach’s previous stops and especially wanted to see the after departure reporting and sentiment. We got some guys people didn’t want to lose and hated to see them go. I tried to find views on all sides rather than just look for what I wanted to find. For example, I really spent probably the most time trying to find someone with credibility that would tell me that Heupel’s offense won’t work in the SEC. I really did look hard but I haven’t found anyone yet that I think can comment on that beyond fans and reporters. In fact, it’s just the opposite. The experts I’ve found think it will work.

So I wanted to figure out why Tim Banks wasn’t qualified to do the job we were hiring him for. The closer I looked it became obvious he actually does have the potential to be good at his job and he has a lot more experience than I was initially giving him credit for.

We were told in December of 2017, by people who knew, that Jeremy Pruitt did not have the temperament to be a head football coach. As a minimum we didn’t want to believe it so we dismissed it as sourced to folks who might be scared now that he was our coach. When we were told that we would have an abysmal season in 2017 we refused to believe that. The world hated us.

So this time around I’ve been looking for anything like that so I could investigate further and share it here. I haven’t really found anything other than most people, folks who I think might know, think it may take a little bit of time, maybe a couple years, to work through our issues, some of which I may not even know about.

When Mike Ekeler was announced as a member of our staff and his wanting to fight Pruitt was being talked about, unlike many of the playground cowboys in our fanbase, who presumably also wanted to punch Pruitt’s lights out, I thought that could be a problem bringing a hothead onto the staff. So I investigated.

When Mike was asked about it at his introduction he seemed amused (typical question from the peanut gallery) and instead pivoted to talk about his relationship to his players while at Nebraska, a relationship that on one scorching hot day led him to attempt a marathon run on their behalf. If Mike ever had the urge to punch Pruitt’s lights out I doubt it was because Pruitt did something to him. Mike strikes me as the guy who fights for those who may not be in a position to fight for themselves.

I investigated this new age thing that Heupel and others had let drop regarding their approach to the game. I found out it’s a thing particularly in the NFL. But as I continued to dig I discovered that it is also Matt Campbell’s secret. It’s how he was able to take a roster that 247 ranks below Vanderbilt and build a program that can compete for the B12 championship and knock off teams like Oregon in bowl games. Matt calls it Purpose and Process, building trust and a genuine family atmosphere. Almost every coach pays lip service to the family concept but based on the developing sense that I have of the home that Pruitt tried to build it was the poster child of broken homes and the Dad needed to go to jail.

Matt Campbell was my first choice and really only choice to become our new head coach not because I knew how he did what he did but that he did it. Iowa State is playing better football than it has played since 1912. He is a 100 year wonder boy. At the time I argued we needed someone who could do more with less and at the present moment I know of no one who can do more with less as compared to Matt. In due course I wanted to see if I could figure out what magic he was using. It just so happens that Danny White hired a guy who apparently is trying to use that same approach. I’ll be very attentive as things move forward, looking for signs we may enjoy similar results.
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I think that we now have the right coaching staff. I hope that they come to love the Tennessee Volunteers and embrace the traditions like we do. I hope that they realize just how special this place is and how abused it has been over the last decade+...

I don’t want lip service. I don’t want posters of players from other schools. I don’t want a lackluster bland recitation of The Maxims.

I want a team that bleeds Tennessee Orange. I want a coaching staff that Bleeds Tennessee Orange. (Doesn’t mean that they have to have played here) Each coach should get a copy of the book on General Neyland.

I want every opponent to dread coming to Neyland Stadium. Heck, I want every opponent to dread us coming to their house. I want every opponent to need a week to recover from playing Tennesse. Their offense feeling beaten up by our defense. Their defense so tired from chasing our offense.
No one wanting to be on the field against our Special Teams...

I don’t want much...🤠
 
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bignewt said:
lets see...what can I get everyone riled up about today? The Gators and their fans, they are not so bad. Shows with laugh tracks are pretty good because they let you know when something is funny. Is Dolly Parton really a good person? I don't think so...
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And pinky out beer is overpriced PBR with artificial flavors added along with a powdery substance to make it cloudy.
 
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bignewt said:
lets see...what can I get everyone riled up about today? The Gators and their fans, they are not so bad. Shows with laugh tracks are pretty good because they let you know when something is funny. Is Dolly Parton really a good person? I don't think so...
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Glad you like throwing temper tantrums
 
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CoalVol2020 said:
I agree. This may be an unpopular take, but it seems like churches are the "fake news/mainstream media" of the Bible. Selectively choosing what to focus on to fit their narrative and leaving out what doesn't.
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We are back to the days before the Protestant Reformation, but the roles and characters have been shuffled. The root issues are still the same.
 
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HankHill said:
All of this is fair. My guy found this clip
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Yep, and that was the new, sleeker version of HT in action. Banks is just a better athlete overall and has a nose for the ball. Too bad he was not previously developed to be what he has become. Maybe he can take another step forward this season.

Most fans only watch the ball. That's OK if they don't take the game seriously. I'm no pro at it like you and your co-workers/friends, but enjoy it. I drive my wife and others crazy stopping the action and rewinding to point out stuff like that every game. When we have friends over she forces me to leave it alone until afterwards. lol. You get so much more from it by focusing on other players and position groups. You learn why a play works or doesn't and more about the chess match involved.

For recognition and taking angles, one of my former player pet peeves was was Rashaan Gaulden. If he had been developed by top coaches - wow, what a player he could have been. But angles and him were not friends. His speed bailed him out at times, but too many times he took terrible angles even when he read the play correctly. It didn't help they had him at nickel most of the time when he was a SS type. A little to small and not the right scheme for him to play the position I guess.
 
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Vols4us said:
Yep, and that was the new, sleeker version of HT in action. Banks is just a better athlete overall and has a nose for the ball. Too bad he was not previously developed to be what he has become. Maybe he can take another step forward this season.

Most fans only watch the ball. That's OK if they don't take the game seriously. I'm no pro at it like you and your co-workers/friends, but enjoy it. I drive my wife and others crazy stopping the action and rewinding to point out stuff like that every game. When we have friends over she forces me to leave it alone until afterwards. lol. You get so much more from it by focusing on other players and position groups. You learn why a play works or doesn't and more about the chess match involved.

For recognition and taking angles, one of my former player pet peeves was was Rashaan Gaulden. If he had been developed by top coaches - wow, what a player he could have been. But angles and him were not friends. His speed bailed him out at times, but too many times he took terrible angles even when he read the play correctly. It didn't help they had him at nickel most of the time when he was a SS type. A little to small and not the right scheme for him to play the position I guess.
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the kid was a true soph who got thrown in to calling plays with little to no spring. feel for the kid.

he'll go to Bama and be all world.
 
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