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99Vol said:
One of the reasons I support CFA is the “how may I help you? My pleasure.” Etc. They actually teach their employees something useful in their lives. Customer service, respect, values. Everyone could use more of that...
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Good lord, the CFA thing is still going on? Please oh please let good things start happening again with the football program. We need 'sports' talk.
 
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99Vol said:
One of the reasons I support CFA is the “how may I help you? My pleasure.” Etc. They actually teach their employees something useful in their lives. Customer service, respect, values. Everyone could use more of that...
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working, lets just go with that. lets not expect too much.
 
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HankHill said:
Our LBs as a whole were consistently targeted in the passing game specifically by teams running 3x1 sets due to the nature of pruitts pattern matching. But Henry had a horrible tendency to drift back on pass plays and bite hard on PA. I really don’t know why but i think he’s probably just a slow processor tbh. When bituli was beside him, he was better Bc he had less responsibilities. There was also a several times when he would drop back at snap when he’s in man coverage... and then try and blitz from 10-15 yards away once his man stayed in for pass pro. I think it was Arkansas that nailed us for a touchdown in part Bc of that. He was ok be the run but was awful in pass coverage... which some of it really wasn’t his fault tho Bc our staff as a whole put too much on our LBs in pass coverage imo.
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^ This.

Several of us pointed it out during the season. Bituli. Without him HT floundered. Without him Georgia State beat us at Neyland. Roll the tape and watch HT drift back and a couple seconds later start running toward the LOS on a bunch of the pass plays. He had zero sense of where the ball was going. He also took some really bad angles on all plays. The O-linemen tossed his around when he lost weight so he would have to run blitz the gaps to make run stops. Some of that is on the bad coaching, some of it is on Henry.
 
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It’s generally accepted by many that Tennessee has in recent years underperformed its talent ranking. I was reading a piece by Athlon looking at the upcoming ’21 season and they provided a comparison of recruiting classes over the past five years along with how the teams have performed on the field in terms of wins and losses.

I ranked the teams by 3 categories, recruiting, all W/L, and conference W/L. Then I averaged those 3 rankings together to give the coaches a ranking. For example, here at Tennessee our coaches did best in recruiting but really not well at winning games. Kentucky doesn’t recruit very well but they do a lot better at winning games.

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Granted there’s a strength of schedule component that is missing but I still think the analysis suggests what most already know. We do okay in recruiting but seem to have difficulty if not developing our talent then at least we’re struggling to lead/motivate them. We’re not playing to our potential and I think that’s coaching and obviously there’s a lot of agreement with that or we wouldn’t have a revolving door to the coaching offices.

In previous posts I’ve made the claim that we have a better football team than our recent records indicate and further argued that that was all on the coaches. This is the reason I think if we got our coaching hires right this time I think we see an immediate and dramatic improvement in our on-field performance. Given the importance of the coaches in my thinking, I’ve spent many hours over the past few weeks trying to find out as much as I could about them – beyond the fluff that fanbases are typically fed in hopes of appeasing said fans until it becomes obvious those coaches weren’t good hires after all.

In my research I filtered out all local reporting and instead went to the coach’s previous stops and especially wanted to see the after departure reporting and sentiment. We got some guys people didn’t want to lose and hated to see them go. I tried to find views on all sides rather than just look for what I wanted to find. For example, I really spent probably the most time trying to find someone with credibility that would tell me that Heupel’s offense won’t work in the SEC. I really did look hard but I haven’t found anyone yet that I think can comment on that beyond fans and reporters. In fact, it’s just the opposite. The experts I’ve found think it will work.

So I wanted to figure out why Tim Banks wasn’t qualified to do the job we were hiring him for. The closer I looked it became obvious he actually does have the potential to be good at his job and he has a lot more experience than I was initially giving him credit for.

We were told in December of 2017, by people who knew, that Jeremy Pruitt did not have the temperament to be a head football coach. As a minimum we didn’t want to believe it so we dismissed it as sourced to folks who might be scared now that he was our coach. When we were told that we would have an abysmal season in 2017 we refused to believe that. The world hated us.

So this time around I’ve been looking for anything like that so I could investigate further and share it here. I haven’t really found anything other than most people, folks who I think might know, think it may take a little bit of time, maybe a couple years, to work through our issues, some of which I may not even know about.

When Mike Ekeler was announced as a member of our staff and his wanting to fight Pruitt was being talked about, unlike many of the playground cowboys in our fanbase, who presumably also wanted to punch Pruitt’s lights out, I thought that could be a problem bringing a hothead onto the staff. So I investigated.

When Mike was asked about it at his introduction he seemed amused (typical question from the peanut gallery) and instead pivoted to talk about his relationship to his players while at Nebraska, a relationship that on one scorching hot day led him to attempt a marathon run on their behalf. If Mike ever had the urge to punch Pruitt’s lights out I doubt it was because Pruitt did something to him. Mike strikes me as the guy who fights for those who may not be in a position to fight for themselves.

I investigated this new age thing that Heupel and others had let drop regarding their approach to the game. I found out it’s a thing particularly in the NFL. But as I continued to dig I discovered that it is also Matt Campbell’s secret. It’s how he was able to take a roster that 247 ranks below Vanderbilt and build a program that can compete for the B12 championship and knock off teams like Oregon in bowl games. Matt calls it Purpose and Process, building trust and a genuine family atmosphere. Almost every coach pays lip service to the family concept but based on the developing sense that I have of the home that Pruitt tried to build it was the poster child of broken homes and the Dad needed to go to jail.

Matt Campbell was my first choice and really only choice to become our new head coach not because I knew how he did what he did but that he did it. Iowa State is playing better football than it has played since 1912. He is a 100 year wonder boy. At the time I argued we needed someone who could do more with less and at the present moment I know of no one who can do more with less as compared to Matt. In due course I wanted to see if I could figure out what magic he was using. It just so happens that Danny White hired a guy who apparently is trying to use that same approach. I’ll be very attentive as things move forward, looking for signs we may enjoy similar results.
 
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It’s generally accepted by many that Tennessee has in recent years underperformed its talent ranking. I was reading a piece by Athlon looking at the upcoming ’21 season and they provided a comparison of recruiting classes over the past five years along with how the teams have performed on the field in terms of wins and losses.

I ranked the teams by 3 categories, recruiting, all W/L, and conference W/L. Then I averaged those 3 rankings together to give the coaches a ranking. For example, here at Tennessee our coaches did best in recruiting but really not well at winning games. Kentucky doesn’t recruit very well but they do a lot better at winning games.

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Granted there’s a strength of schedule component that is missing but I still think the analysis suggests what most already know. We do okay in recruiting but seem to have difficulty if not developing our talent then at least we’re struggling to lead/motivate them. We’re not playing to our potential and I think that’s coaching and obviously there’s a lot of agreement with that or we wouldn’t have a revolving door to the coaching offices.

In previous posts I’ve made the claim that we have a better football team than our recent records indicate and further argued that that was all on the coaches. This is the reason I think if we got our coaching hires right this time I think we see an immediate and dramatic improvement in our on-field performance. Given the importance of the coaches in my thinking, I’ve spent many hours over the past few weeks trying to find out as much as I could about them – beyond the fluff that fanbases are typically fed in hopes of appeasing said fans until it becomes obvious those coaches weren’t good hires after all.

In my research I filtered out all local reporting and instead went to the coach’s previous stops and especially wanted to see the after departure reporting and sentiment. We got some guys people didn’t want to lose and hated to see them go. I tried to find views on all sides rather than just look for what I wanted to find. For example, I really spent probably the most time trying to find someone with credibility that would tell me that Heupel’s offense won’t work in the SEC. I really did look hard but I haven’t found anyone yet that I think can comment on that beyond fans and reporters. In fact, it’s just the opposite. The experts I’ve found think it will work.

So I wanted to figure out why Tim Banks wasn’t qualified to do the job we were hiring him for. The closer I looked it became obvious he actually does have the potential to be good at his job and he has a lot more experience than I was initially giving him credit for.

We were told in December of 2017, by people who knew, that Jeremy Pruitt did not have the temperament to be a head football coach. As a minimum we didn’t want to believe it so we dismissed it as sourced to folks who might be scared now that he was our coach. When we were told that we would have an abysmal season in 2017 we refused to believe that. The world hated us.

So this time around I’ve been looking for anything like that so I could investigate further and share it here. I haven’t really found anything other than most people, folks who I think might know, think it may take a little bit of time, maybe a couple years, to work through our issues, some of which I may not even know about.

When Mike Ekeler was announced as a member of our staff and his wanting to fight Pruitt was being talked about, unlike many of the playground cowboys in our fanbase, who presumably also wanted to punch Pruitt’s lights out, I thought that could be a problem bringing a hothead onto the staff. So I investigated.

When Mike was asked about it at his introduction he seemed amused (typical question from the peanut gallery) and instead pivoted to talk about his relationship to his players while at Nebraska, a relationship that on one scorching hot day led him to attempt a marathon run on their behalf. If Mike ever had the urge to punch Pruitt’s lights out I doubt it was because Pruitt did something to him. Mike strikes me as the guy who fights for those who may not be in a position to fight for themselves.

I investigated this new age thing that Heupel and others had let drop regarding their approach to the game. I found out it’s a thing particularly in the NFL. But as I continued to dig I discovered that it is also Matt Campbell’s secret. It’s how he was able to take a roster that 247 ranks below Vanderbilt and build a program that can compete for the B12 championship and knock off teams like Oregon in bowl games. Matt calls it Purpose and Process, building trust and a genuine family atmosphere. Almost every coach pays lip service to the family concept but based on the developing sense that I have of the home that Pruitt tried to build it was the poster child of broken homes and the Dad needed to go to jail.

Matt Campbell was my first choice and really only choice to become our new head coach not because I knew how he did what he did but that he did it. Iowa State is playing better football than it has played since 1912. He is a 100 year wonder boy. At the time I argued we needed someone who could do more with less and at the present moment I know of no one who can do more with less as compared to Matt. In due course I wanted to see if I could figure out what magic he was using. It just so happens that Danny White hired a guy who apparently is trying to use that same approach. I’ll be very attentive as things move forward, looking for signs we may enjoy similar results.
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@ChattaTNVol, Dude, you've been all over this analysis the past few weeks. I appreciate your time and effort that has gone into it. Question for you; does Dabo fall into this same line of new age coaching style?
 
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drvenner said:
My take is that we need to keep the chik-fil-a convo strictly about their food and not about what days of the week they are open.

I like chik-fil-a, but not as much as my wife and daughter do. I typically go across the street to get a Freddy's Steakburger when they want chik-fil-a.
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Not trying to be creepy, but, you live in west central Kentucky near a major water thoroughfare?
 
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volsfan_17 said:
@ChattaTNVol, Dude, you've been all over this analysis the past few weeks. I appreciate your time and effort that has gone into it. Question for you; does Dabo fall into this same line of new age coaching style?
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This is a thorough article that maybe best describes the culture and I guess attraction for recruits and their families that Dabo has created at Clemson. In a lot of ways it's probably similar in the way it works. That's just my opinion. I think it's safe to say Dabo and for the most part all of his coaches and almost all of his players appear to be devout fans of Chick-Fil-A. jmo.

I assume that, perhaps unlike Freeze, Dabo might be seemingly a bit more authentic and if I'm correct he, to the extent possible, appears to be walking the walk. A bona fide example of someone who genuinely is invested in their faith can be an extremely powerful influence on others. jmo.

The fervent religious culture at Dabo Swinney's Clemson
 
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Wouldn't it be awesome if this team pulled together and won the SEC tournament?

We deserve good things.

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Someone in the FF has started a thread claiming TOS is talking about 4-5 football players getting caught up by UTPD in some kind of drug deal. He goes on to name Salter as being possibly involved. I want to say it's just complete BS, but my BVS says who the hell knows? If it turns out to be true, I'm gonna track down all of you who said "it can't get any worse" and kick you in the nether regions for tempting fate. Then I'm gonna hunt down Rohan's voodoo momma and beg she lift the curse.
 
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Weezer said:
Someone in the FF has started a thread claiming TOS is talking about 4-5 football players getting caught up by UTPD in some kind of drug deal. He goes on to name Salter as being possibly involved. I want to say it's just complete BS, but my BVS says who the hell knows? If it turns out to be true, I'm gonna track down all of you who said "it can't get any worse" and kick you in the nether regions for tempting fate. Then I'm gonna hunt down Rohan's voodoo momma and beg she lift the curse.
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It’s true and one maybe two other freshman are involved.
 
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