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drvenner said:
I am not really Byron D'vinner. I have never been to Oxford HS.
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HankHill said:
It’s really hard to say because it all depends on who you match up against. Take the rams for example. They were in 11 personnel almost exclusively a few years ago. Now they are the in it the least of all nfl teams. They use multiple tightends and backs. A team like the Ravens forces you to have 3-4 LBs on the field most of the game Bc they usually only send out 1 or 2 WRs.

When you are in a true nickel defense whether you run a 3 man front (3-3-5) or a 4 man front(4-2-5)... you’re gonna have 5 DBs either way. The players in the backend won’t change that much it’s more dependent on if your coach prefers more man or zone coverage. Ie: josh Norman. He’s a zone corner, he was great in Carolina and when he went to Washington to a man scheme he struggled.

It’s really about your OLBs, DE, and DTs.
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Good stuff

I guess my main “concern” is what does the 3-3-5 defense look like against the Ravens?

That’s where I get foggy with this stuff
 
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HankHill said:
It’s really hard to say because it all depends on who you match up against. Take the rams for example. They were in 11 personnel almost exclusively a few years ago. Now they are the in it the least of all nfl teams. They use multiple tightends and backs. A team like the Ravens forces you to have 3-4 LBs on the field most of the game Bc they usually only send out 1 or 2 WRs.

When you are in a true nickel defense whether you run a 3 man front (3-3-5) or a 4 man front(4-2-5)... you’re gonna have 5 DBs either way. The players in the backend won’t change that much it’s more dependent on if your coach prefers more man or zone coverage. Ie: josh Norman. He’s a zone corner, he was great in Carolina and when he went to Washington to a man scheme he struggled.

It’s really about your OLBs, DE, and DTs.
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Who was that guy with the funny name that was one of the best CBs in the league (in a man or zone scheme, can't remember), then went to a different scheme (eagles, I think) and was pretty much never heard from again? People don't give enough credit to scheme, coaching, personnel around specific players, in my opinion.
 
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BruinVol said:
then If it’s all over the league as you say there has to be one other success story out there besides Iowa state that claims to run a “3-3-5”

I want to hear all these great places doing it.


So what does the 3-3-5 look like on 3rd and 2? I don’t know and would love to see how it differs from the traditional nickel that other places run
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This link has some good info on the different looks up front you can use from that base depending on the situation. It's a good read.

Multiple Defensive Fronts In The 3-3-5
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
One would assume that an important variable would be the quality of opposition defenses. We play 3-5 top ten defenses a year. Add a three step drop with long developing plays and an qb who holds the ball too long, and it starts to feel like this comparison comes apart. Not asking you to do the additional work to add those inputs, but it would be interesting to see how that changes the outputs.
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Another example of historical thinking that was not true in 2020. Best SEC Defense (ypg) was aTM at #9 at 317.3. next was jawja at #12 with 321. Next ranked defense was bama at #32 with 352 ypg. NO OTHER SEC defense was in the top 50. Think the trend will continue at more teams implement the fast break offense.
 
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Sleegro said:
This link has some good info on the different looks up front you can use from that base depending on the situation. It's a good read.

Multiple Defensive Fronts In The 3-3-5
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Thanks for sharing. That’s some in-depth stuff and I need to get into a serious frame of mine to take all that in.

Truth is I ain’t ashamed to say most of that is way over my head
 
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Volator said:
Another example of historical thinking that was not true in 2020. Best SEC Defense (ypg) was aTM at #9 at 317.3. next was jawja at #12 with 321. Next ranked defense was bama at #32 with 352 ypg. NO OTHER SEC defense was in the top 50. Think the trend will continue at more teams implement the fast break offense.
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And UCF opposition defenses- are they comparable to the ones we faced?
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I thinks it’s about proven over last decade or more that you can’t have a dominant defense at TX until they recruit defensively on national basis. Mushchamp and Diaz weren’t very dominant there either then had dominate defenses once they got back to SEC. TX in state players are all about offense and soft on defense. Just the way it is there now
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It's all relative. Bru is just hung up on semantics.
 
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