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#151
#151
ButchPlz said:
Franklin, for being as big a douche as he is, has 11-2 records all over the place and took VANDERBILT to relevance. He has a long track record of sustained success in major conferences, and should get the benefit of the doubt for this season.

Heupel has a short track record beating up on nobody where the justification that keeps getting thrown around for his hiring include LOSSES. This is a loser hire.
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Noted. You don’t know how he will do here. Hopefully he does well. People would have complained about hiring Franklin. People would have complained about Kiffin, Freeze, Chadwell, Fickell and even Campbell.

It is what it is. So keep on complaining. Stop watching games or donating. Don’t buy any merchandise. Do ad you please. You may end up being correct and he does terrible. Nothing any of us can do about it. I choose to be a little optimistic about it.
 
#153
#153
MaTaLa said:
Think he underestimated the task and/or overestimated his ability to work the situation? Not enough getting a pulse of UT football drudgery and it's reputation, added to recent NCAA blunders?

Simply can't believe this was the #1 plan all along but maybe was the backup, all along.
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This is probably about Plan G or H. I'm sure they knew it was a tough sell from the beginning due to the uncertainty of the sanctions that are coming and thought maybe they could buy their way out of it with a big contract.
 
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#154
#154
sjt18 said:
No. Idiocy is assuming it won't be a good hire.

To be a "good" hire, a guy needs to have a resume. He does. The rest comes down to his decisions and how he deals with circumstances. That's not predictable for anyone.
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Butch was a good hire then too.

History can be used to make predictions- your point is silly. What are forecasts otherwise? You'll find that most of the time- if not damn near all the time- history shows what you're getting. This guy has three seasons as a head coach and has built nothing. In fact, he's gotten worse- COVID year or not. That's an indicator of decisions and dealing with circumstances. I am much more justified in assuming he can't build things than anyone is taking the alternative, because history around football has shown 'builders' are the exception.

If you want to argue that Tennessee doesn't need a builder, you're wrong.
 
#156
#156
ButchPlz said:
Butch was a good hire then too.
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No he wasn't. I'm not sure who looked at his background but even a cursory look at his record revealed a guy who had pumped his W-L resume by beating bad teams... A LOT of bad teams.

History can be used to make predictions- your point is silly.
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So history says the guy will produce lots of offense and beat some good teams.
This guy has three seasons as a head coach and has built nothing. In fact, he's gotten worse- COVID year or not.
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Yeah. Covid matters. It didn't matter as much as Pruitt's apologists wanted it to but it did impact the season. Teams lost critical players at the wrong time and others caught breaks. His records have been 12-1, 10-3, and 6-4. In the 3 years prior to him they were 0-12, 6-7, 13-0.

You are making conclusions that are not justified by the facts we know.

He may fail. I have no idea. But he he has a good resume. He's worked with and is the choice of an AD who has a history of "building". At this point... that AD has more credibility than the emotional tantrums by some here.

That's an indicator of decisions and dealing with circumstances. I am much more justified in assuming he can't build things than anyone is taking the alternative, because history around football has shown 'builders' are the exception.
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No. You can have an expectation based on what you believe are probabilities but assuming something and acting as if it is already fact is never "justified".

If you want to argue that Tennessee doesn't need a builder, you're wrong.
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UT needs a lot of things. I don't know if this guy is the answer or not. In at least one way, I don't like the hire. If White had hired someone else then he could have fired them and kept his job. By bringing "his guy".... he's probably tied his fortune to Heupel's. OTOH, that expresses a lot of confidence that he believes Heupel is the right guy.
 
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#159
#159
Yea “Mr. integrity” is willing to gut his former school and con our fan base.. wonder how much of the buyout money he gets to secretly put into his pocket under the table...
 
#160
#160
BigOrangeTrain said:
Bye. Oh and take the people who like your post with you.
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Didn't and won't spend the money , because that's what it takes to win. You half to be willing to spend 8-10 million per year for staff and coach.
Unless you keep a guy 15 yrs like Dabo Swinney has been at Clemson . Took Dabo a long, long, long time to get Clemson where they are now. Heck he was there with Tommy Bowden .
 
#161
#161
This is the definition of insanity... Dooley hire- Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Butch hire - Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Pruitt hire - Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Heupel hire - Sunshine pumpers: “ we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?”
 
#162
#162
Sic'em Smokey said:
This is the definition of insanity... Dooley hire- Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Butch hire - Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Pruitt hire - Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Heupel hire - Sunshine pumpers: “ we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?”
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Same can be said about negas complaining about every hire.
 
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#163
sjt18 said:
No he wasn't. I'm not sure who looked at his background but even a cursory look at his record revealed a guy who had pumped his W-L resume by beating bad teams... A LOT of bad teams.

So history says the guy will produce lots of offense and beat some good teams. Yeah. Covid matters. It didn't matter as much as Pruitt's apologists wanted it to but it did impact the season. Teams lost critical players at the wrong time and others caught breaks. His records have been 12-1, 10-3, and 6-4. In the 3 years prior to him they were 0-12, 6-7, 13-0.

You are making conclusions that are not justified by the facts we know.

He may fail. I have no idea. But he he has a good resume. He's worked with and is the choice of an AD who has a history of "building". At this point... that AD has more credibility than the emotional tantrums by some here.

No. You can have an expectation based on what you believe are probabilities but assuming something and acting as if it is already fact is never "justified".


UT needs a lot of things. I don't know if this guy is the answer or not. In at least one way, I don't like the hire. If White had hired someone else then he could have fired them and kept his job. By bringing "his guy".... he's probably tied his fortune to Heupel's. OTOH, that expresses a lot of confidence that he believes Heupel is the right guy.
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Pumped his record by beating bad teams? WTF did Heupel do then? This is an even dumber argument than you made before, honestly.

His record is regressing. Great coaches typically don't have that happen, and they almost always get more out of less. He's moving the wrong way and getting less with less, and he doesn't have anywhere near the history to just pass it off as nothing.

My 'conclusions' are predictions. You're building a strawman and coming after me on a message board where everyone is entitled to their own 'conclusions'. Again, I am just as justified in my 'conclusion' as you are in yours, IF NOT MORE SO, and you've done nothing to make a point.
 
#164
#164
Welcome all to the nega nation. Don't worry the Tennessee admins will always keep us supplied with negative energy.
 
#165
#165
ButchPlz said:
Franklin, for being as big a douche as he is, has 11-2 records all over the place and took VANDERBILT to relevance. He has a long track record of sustained success in major conferences, and should get the benefit of the doubt for this season.

Heupel has a short track record beating up on nobody where the justification that keeps getting thrown around for his hiring include LOSSES. This is a loser hire.
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Heupel is "downtrending" but not Franklin? :rolleyes:
 
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#167
#167
Sic'em Smokey said:
This is the definition of insanity... Dooley hire- Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Butch hire - Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Pruitt hire - Sunshine pumpers: “we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?” Heupel hire - Sunshine pumpers: “ we hired who!? Oh well.. maybe it’ll work out?”
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They don't care, 6 yrs of Heupel coming our way. If he wins a Natty , AD was a genius . If he doesn't but gets us to outback bowls that will still be good enough. I'm telling you they are collecting fat TV checks, they don't need to be good any more. As long as a couple of teams in your conference are competing for Natty's, everybody is ok.
 
#169
#169
Rickyvol77 said:
Heupel is "downtrending" but not Franklin? :rolleyes:
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I literally gave plenty of examples of why a man with a long history, including navigating bumps in the road, deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Heupel's record- trending down.
Heupel's recruiting- trending down (including dropping to middle of the pack in the AAC).
Heupel's fan support/energy around UCF- collapsing.

Tennessee needed a program builder. Not a guy regressing.
 
#171
#171
ButchPlz said:
I literally gave plenty of examples of why a man with a long history, including navigating bumps in the road, deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Heupel's record- trending down.
Heupel's recruiting- trending down (including dropping to middle of the pack in the AAC).
Heupel's fan support/energy around UCF- collapsing.

Tennessee needed a program builder. Not a guy regressing.
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"fan support/energy" LMAO
 
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