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rjd970 said:
Does anybody think Marrone can beat UGA, Bama, or UF?

I can see Freeze or Chadwell doing it. Hell, Fickell came closer against UGA then we have even sniffed lately.

I just don’t think Marrone is the guy we need.
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Yes. Smart doesn’t scare me at all. Mullen is good but still very much a ten win ceiling kind of guy. To say Chadwell could is crazy. I like him but we have no idea how he would do at a big program.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Texas talent isn't overrated, but it's about having the right QB (sound familiar?). I wrote a post a few weeks ago that documented the terrible choices (or maybe development) that has gone back to the Mack Brown days. Garret Gilbert didn't work out, and then they took 3 star QB's that weren't good enough. That wasn't Texas' sole problem, but it was a huge factor. Charlie Strong had bad QB's and then Ehlinger was ok.
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Vince Young was ably replaced by a 3 star...Colt McCoy. Think Brown felt he could find that guy every year.
 
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snowvols said:
I'm starting to lean that way considering other teams are filling positions and we're not. Also, lots of the guys in the portal
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Yep. Investigation still going on. Likely going to use the findings to negotiate Pruitts buyout down some. And maybe they’re going to do like Texas - Fire Pruitt and hire new guy in the same day. Hoping that’s what’s actually going on anyway.
 
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05_never_again said:
Pruitt has a bunch of SEC experience, but his downfall is that he's a Saban disciple. Saban hires guys primarily for their ability and willingness to follow orders to his exact specifications, a skillset that does not translate well to running your own program. I don't think it is a coincidence or bad luck that most of his disciples struggle as HCs, because I think most of the assistants he hires don't have head coaching skillsets. Similar deal with Belichick.

Tennessee won't do it, but we need to hire a guy who has had some success at a P5 program as a HC. Freeze, Gus, Herman, Campbell. Take as much guesswork as possible out of this, because we do a terrible job at identifying the "well, they might be good" coaches.[/QUOTE

Fair enough, I respect the back and forth dialog, I guess my thought is that IF the choice were to be Marrone, I consider his previous experience as a P5 HC, and an NFL HC as more than on par with the names you've listed as well. Only with a proven track record of navigating difficult places to win (SU, Buffalo and Jacksonville). My personal opinion, is that he'd do better from a program building standpoint than Freeze/Gus/Napier/Chadwell and would be on par with Herman/Campbell in that regard. I also feel he could check a lot of boxes for a lot of the decision makers that others on this list do not:

HC experience
Southeastern experience (SEC and geographically)
Offensive background (specifically with O-Line development)
Program builder (just in a non traditional thought)
Relationship with CPF and UT

To me there's a lot more riskier hires we could make. Including the guy who current has the job. Fact of the matter is, we as a fan base have no idea who would or wouldn't be successful here. I would have bet money that CJP would have made a good transition from top level SEC DC to HC, but he hasn't.
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RiotVol said:
Saban disciples are good if you are a Goliath program and you need someone who knows how to manage that kind of monster.

We are not there any more. We need a David. We need a giant-killer.
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I wouldn't even necessarily say that's the case. Take Kirby at Georgia. In absolute (not relative) terms, he appears to have done really well there. Was a play away from winning a national title a few years ago, has won almost 80% of his games.

However, when you look under the hood, I think he's actually an order-follower still trying to learn how to be a head coach, and I'm not sure he'll ever get there. He knows recruiting and defense, which Georgia is really good at. However, he still doesn't know how to manage (or let his staff members manage) offense, particularly QBs. He runs an offense not too dissimilar from the offense Alabama ran 10 years ago. Kirby did not make Georgia good - he inherited a really good roster that had won 19 games over the previous 2 seasons.

If Pruitt was at Georgia and Kirby was at Tennessee the last 3 years, I think the records of the program would be pretty much the same. Pruitt would have much more talent at Georgia, and his defenses would be good, but he'd mismanage their offense and QBs just like he has at Tennessee. Kirby would probably have recruited well here, like Pruitt has, but he'd struggle because his roster would be nowhere as deep, and he certainly would have done nothing to make our offense or QBs better.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Doesn’t pruitts buyout go down each year..... do we save money with the lowered buyout plus new assistants or would it be cheaper this year?
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That same thought process also goes for next year and the year after and ----------- :):)
 
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