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turdherder11 said:
Love how bama pays a crazy amounts for great OCs that are twice the coaches our HCs are for the last 10 years. The dedication at bama is crazy.
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It isn't their level of dedication that impresses me - lots of schools have dedication. Their competence, judgment, and willingness of their different internal factions to get on board and let their coaches coach impresses me. Not every school does that. Saban went to Alabama primarily because of their assurances that all of their people (admin, boosters, etc.) would give him what he asked for and let him coach.
 
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05_never_again said:
His last experience in the SEC was as an assistant coach 20 years ago. He coached O-lines at Georgia and Tennessee in 2000 and 2001 respectively. He has basically no relevant experience in this conference at all.
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And the guy currently running our program in a manner worse than Butch Jones, has been a lifelong assistant coach in the southeast. Hasn't served him well.

My point being, even though he's not a native southerner, he's been at programs in the south, so the passion of the expectations wouldn't be lost on him. I consider his time at GA Tech part of that experience.
 
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05_never_again said:
It isn't their level of dedication that impresses me - lots of schools have dedication. Their competence, judgment, and willingness of their different internal factions to get on board and let their coaches coach impresses me. Not every school does that. Saban went to Alabama primarily because of their assurances that all of their people (admin, boosters, etc.) would give him what he asked for and let him coach.
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Our administration and boosters are not tired of losing yet. Fans are tired of it, but we have little say in the matter
 
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VolInDayton said:
The people who think Bill O'Brien would be an awful coach will want him after 1 year at Bama.
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OBrien did a great job at pennst. Hes a proven HC. If he's not in everyone's top 3 if Pruitt is fired is crazy. Bama is looking at hiring him as an OC......meanwhile at UT we are talking about hiring Doug Marrone....Holy hell.
 
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volsfan_17 said:
And the guy currently running our program in a manner worse than Butch Jones, has been a lifelong assistant coach in the southeast. Hasn't served him well.

My point being, even though he's not a native southerner, he's been at programs in the south, so the passion of the expectations wouldn't be lost on him. I consider his time at GA Tech part of that experience.
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Pruitt has a bunch of SEC experience, but his downfall is that he's a Saban disciple. Saban hires guys primarily for their ability and willingness to follow orders to his exact specifications, a skillset that does not translate well to running your own program. I don't think it is a coincidence or bad luck that most of his disciples struggle as HCs, because I think most of the assistants he hires don't have head coaching skillsets. Similar deal with Belichick.

Tennessee won't do it, but we need to hire a guy who has had some success at a P5 program as a HC. Freeze, Gus, Herman, Campbell. Take as much guesswork as possible out of this, because we do a terrible job at identifying the "well, they might be good" coaches.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
2020 College Big-12 Football Team Talent Composite

They have had a major talent advantage for three straight seasons.

They have Oklahoma to get past. I'll give you that. Outside of that they have zero excuse to lose to any other team in that conference. The big 12 has less talent than the ACC. Those teams should be warm bodies for Texas to destroy every year.

But you are right. Those are good coaches. And they repeatedly handed Herman losses even though he was better at every position. Should tell you what level of coach Herman is.
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This is all correct. Texas is #5 in the composite for talent, OU is #9. After that TCU is the next Big 12 team at #28 and then Baylor at #41. It goes downhill from there. Herman was 1-4 against OU, 1-3 against TCU, and 2-2 against ISU. Also 0-2 against Maryland, of all teams. People point to his three losses this year as being by 13 points, which is true, but it also ignores how they had to make a miracle comeback from 14 points down in the last 2:39 to force overtime against a 4-6 Texas Tech team, and eked out a 4 point victory over WVU, who dropped a sure TD that would have won it. The Big 12 was as bad as it has been in years in 2020, Texas had a senior QB and OU was rebuilding, and Texas didn't even make the title game.

Probably more importantly, his record on its face would have been good enough to keep him another year even though it didn't meet expectations, but they got rid of him for what most consider to be a "lateral" hire. Everyone would have understood if they swapped him out for Urban Meyer or Brian Kelly, maybe even Matt Campbell, but to do it for Sarkisian (who I think has a ton of upside and a ton of risk), you have to ask why that is? The reporting is that Herman had alienated every power center in the Texas ecosystem, from boosters to administration, and even to a certain extent the AD who probably would have preferred to keep him, all things being equal. There are all kinds of message board stories about his personal behavior that I won't repeat because who knows if they are true, but they have been consistent for several years and there is a lot of smoke. He had 5 of his 7 team captains opt out for the last regular season game, and now there is reporting that players were negatively recruiting prospective recruits from coming to Texas. Everyone should read this article because it gives a bit of the history leading to his firing.

Texas players were negatively recruiting against Tom Herman

As for the notion that Texas players are overrated, why is that that the state most represented in Alabama's 2021 recruiting class is the State of Texas? Why does tOSU come and take the best players out of the state every year? Same for LSU? Herman had one player out of the Texas top 25 committed for the 2021 class, and the best player in the 2022 cycle out of Southlake decommitted during the season (and recommitted to tOSU). Herman completely whiffed on a historically great O-Line class in Texas for 2021, including two twins whose dad was an All-American at Texas in the 90's.

Like I've said, I think Herman may have a second act in him someday if he works some things out, but I would be real leery of hiring him this year.
 
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turdherder11 said:
OBrien did a great job at pennst. Hes a proven HC. If he's not in everyone's top 3 if Pruitt is fired is crazy. Bama is looking at hiring him as an OC......meanwhile at UT we are talking about hiring Doug Marrone....Holy hell.
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All coaching talk is pretty pointless search for hope. I don't think Marrone is an A+ hire by any means, but atleast it's not Napier and Chadwell.

At the end of the day I will talk myself into believing in our coach/team by August.
 
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Basilio saying 90% chance Pruitt is let go. Cites the lack of filling coaching vacancies and the on-going investigation that is damaging Pruitt (whether any becomes of it or not). I tend to agree. There is no reason for the way they are handling things right now other than they are getting ready to let him go.
 
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05_never_again said:
Pruitt has a bunch of SEC experience, but his downfall is that he's a Saban disciple. Saban hires guys primarily for their ability and willingness to follow orders to his exact specifications, a skillset that does not translate well to running your own program. I don't think it is a coincidence or bad luck that most of his disciples struggle as HCs, because I think most of the assistants he hires don't have head coaching skillsets. Similar deal with Belichick.

Tennessee won't do it, but we need to hire a guy who has had some success at a P5 program as a HC. Freeze, Gus, Herman, Campbell. Take as much guesswork as possible out of this, because we do a terrible job at identifying the "well, they might be good" coaches.
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Saban disciples are good if you are a Goliath program and you need someone who knows how to manage that kind of monster.

We are not there any more. We need a David. We need a giant-killer.
 
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Doug Marrone is a safer hire than a coordinator at a P5 school who has no head coaching experience and probably even a mid major coach who had one great year. He's been to an AFC Championship game, for crying out loud...and led Bill Belichik at halftime.

As someone said earlier, he would be an "adult" hire.
 
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MarcoVol said:
As are you. Texas has a more talented roster than the other teams in their conference year in and year out. Yet those other teams continue to beat them. We criticize UGA and Kirby all the time for not winning big and having all that talent.

And you counter that with an opinion of “Texas talent is overrated”.
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There was much more but you chose to only read part of my responses. No sense in arguing when you believe your opinion is higher than everyone else’s. We can just disagree and let it go.
 
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