Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[seaofORANGE22]

Then we got Butch who was the opposite of Dooley. Then Pruitt that was the opposite of Butch. So who is the opposite of Pruitt? Offensive guy that has been a head coach before.....

I think Freeze fits the opposite of Pruitt thing nicely. Isn't a bammer and in fact has had some small Tennessee ties in his past. Is an offensive guy and a better personality. And would likey be able to pull out some wins. Has some scars but has had a little time to let them heal.

He is the hire if we make a change imo. He makes the most sense for us right now. If we keep Pruitt I think it's because there were too many people against Freeze. Which I do get. But I think that will prove over time to have been a mistake and a missed opportunity.

 

[HankHill]

If he didn't fail, he wouldn't be getting fired. Who in their right mind calls getting axed a success?

Because you are just pointing to if you’re fired... you failed. If Ed O goes 6-6 next year and gets fired is he a failure? There’s circumstances around every coaching leaving/fired/hired and expectations are an important context. I’m not beating the drum for Herman by any means I’m in the same court with him as i am with harbaugh and Michigan. I’m not as high on those programs as most so i don’t think their results are as bad are many are making them out to be.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

He’d be right. Folks might very well be singing a different tune on here this time next year.

There is zero reason to believe in a big turnaround next year. We've never been even average on offense in the SEC or nationally. Defense took a huge step back with no help at pass rush or DB. No good asst coach is coming to this dumpster fire. And for sure 22 recruits will back out once they see the typical JP coaching that will be exactly the same. We lost every game by double digits in year 3 of a 3 win season. We lost to GA State the year before. This is a pattern of awful coaching

 

[HankHill]

please don't compare the old school discipline Singletary brings with gump and what he's done so far... don't. Singletary may have been a bit too rigid for the NFL, but it's probably what this team and program needs right now... And I wasn't suggesting coming in as a HC... You put him as a DC and let it fly....

But he wasn’t a good coach.... so idc what kind of personality he has. You’re solution is to force players into submission and make them perform. I don’t think that’s the way football works anymore. The best coaches out there find a way to blend it all together and create whatever cultures fits their program or team best.

 

[volinbama256]

I thinks he's saying there's not a hard number on it. Of JP gets to year 5 goes 10-2 with closes losses to AL and UGA but best UF then he's not auto fired because he didn't make Atlanta in 5 years.

I hope that's the case... not thinking about ATL 5yrs from NOW is just 'ussy....

 

[orangesoda]

It’s almost if we didn’t hear this every single offseason.

With a loss to Pitt, reality will start to set back in.

 

[volinbama256]

But he wasn’t a good coach.... so idc what kind of personality he has. You’re solution is to force players into submission and make them perform. I don’t think that’s the way football works anymore. The best coaches out there find a way to blend it all together and create whatever cultures fits their program or team best.

Please show me where I made any suggestion or said that.... I am using Singletary as an example of someone who I think could get the kid's mindset right and focused and will hold them accountable... the word out is many players didn't give a rip this season and played accordingly and still saw the field...

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'd take never had a losing season over two losing seasons in three years every time. Not sure who it is you think we're going to hire IF Pruitt gets fired. Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops aren't likely to be walking through that door. Doubt Matt Campbell would take the job, and doesn't he have a huge buyout anyway? My guess is UT will not take the chance on Hugh Freeze's baggage. So who are you looking at? Fickell? Napier? Chadwell? I like Herman as much or more than either of those three.

I also honestly don't know. I will have major doubts about any hire we make, because you're absolutely right, our UT admin is absolute garbage and are not seriously committed to excellence or they would throw everything we have at one of those big names. They would do like Alabama and not take no for an answer. It is the one thing about Bama I admire. They don't care about profit margin, they care about WINNING..period.

I wouldn't revolt over a Hermehn hire, I would get behind it, but I don't believe for a second that he could fix this mess. He was handed a better roster, in a state loaded with talent, in a weaker conference..and he couldn't cut it...period. What in the hell do you really see that makes you think he could fix this toxic dump?

Hence my depression over our situation.

 

[volbeast33]

If instate recruiting was be all end all you make it out to be, Texas and Georgia would have twice as many National Championships as Alabama does. Instead, the opposite is true.

2 of the four national championship QBs were from Georgia...... having great instate recriluiting is a huge advantage...... I don’t think Kirby would be as good if he didn’t have that advantage.

 

[LA Vol]

The simple fact that JP has been here 3yrs, is most likely getting at least a 4th, are you saying there's not an expectation to be in ATL in 2 more years (5 total), or are you saying 5yrs from now? If there's not an expectation to be in ATL 5yrs from now, then burn the entire thing down and move on... that's a weak, non-competitive, pathetic mindset, with a clear view of not caring or wanting UT football to ever be good again... If it's 5yrs total of gump, then I can at least see and understand it, but don't agree with it...

You're right-- I wasn't clear. I edited it. Getting to ATL and beyond is certainly the goal, though.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I hope that's the case... not thinking about ATL 5yrs from NOW is just 'ussy....

No its you cant put the expectations of Atlanta on a coach when the program has been there since 07. Again numbers are arbitrary but putting a number on it is getting to consistently 8+ wins. Then we can start worrying about Atlanta. If I had to give a 5 year timeline for Pruitt after this season it would be something like this:
1- 8+wins
2- 8+wins
3-9 wins
4-5 10+

 

[Orangeburst]

Wow...such hugh expectations...

 

[govols24]

I could maybe talk myself into thinking Pruitt could turn it around next year if it wasn’t for Pope’s exit interview. I played baseball with his older brother and know the family well. He’s a great kid and I don’t think he would have sour grapes towards Pruitt or anything so I think what he’s saying is legit. I don’t see how Pruitt changes that in one year with some staff changes.

 

[MrVolton]

2 of the four national championship QBs were from Georgia...... having great instate recriluiting is a huge advantage...... I don’t think Kirby would be as good if he didn’t have that advantage.

Ok, so which one of those guys is starting for UGA right now? The fact that these guys are at other schools actually backs up the point that in state recruiting is not the program maker/breaker it is made out to be.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Because you are just pointing to if you’re fired... you failed. If Ed O goes 6-6 next year and gets fired is he a failure? There’s circumstances around every coaching leaving/fired/hired and expectations are an important context. I’m not beating the drum for Herman by any means I’m in the same court with him as i am with harbaugh and Michigan. I’m not as high on those programs as most so i don’t think their results are as bad are many are making them out to be.

Saying Texas is a hard program to win at is ridiculous. There should be only one seriously even game talent wise every year and that is Okie. They have a monster talent advantage over every other team in that conference.

If Sark can get the right DC that can actually develop the talent they get..he will have them in the playoffs. If he doesn't he will be the next fired Texas coach with a crap defense.

 

[Orange Studs]

Folks will be predicting 8 or 9 wins come fall. I’m sitting at 8-4 myself.

A lot of us say 6-6 based on what we saw las year cause there was no evidence of any developing of the players. I have no doubt Pruitt can coach as an assistant but he has shown no signs of being willing to be teachable on how to become a HC. He doesn't really care about building a relationship with fans or most boosters for that matter. You say he is evolving. I ask, where has he? He still stubborn, he doesn't know how to hire the right coaches nor does he get along with most coaches as we have seen this past year. This is his third time to get to hire his staff let's see who is willing to come outside those who knew him in Hoover. lol

 

[Catbone]

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Wow...such hugh expectations...

We will be 14+ point underdogs to each one of those teams yet again in year 4.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Gus Malzahn and his 21 million

Touche'

 

[Vols4us]

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Wow...such hugh expectations...

Fulmer lied to him because that doesn't mean squat since he is still the HC. You can even lose to Georgia State. No problem.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Hey what do you guys think of Jeremy Pruitt sticking around for another season?

Has that been discussed?

 

[Smokey123]

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Wow...such hugh expectations...

In reality Fulmer only cares if he beats Vandy

 

[SpringBokVol]

Hey what do you guys think of Jeremy Pruitt sticking around for another season?

👁 👁 👁

 

[SweetasSoda]

It was more of a comment towards a poster wanting them to play young players..... I feel it is more difficult to build at Tennessee than some of the other schools..... our state is not typically loaded with talent and a lot of the talent is from other states that has moved to our growing metropolitans..... when we were at our best.... the teams in our neighboring states were weak and we would cherry pick players from those states..... I, honestly, don’t know if it’s better to be patient and have a longer rebuild or try and change coaches every few years and start over.

Agree.... And if JP would have given us a win over KY, Aub or Ark with some player development, we would not be thinking there is absolutely no hope.

 

[Girth Brooks]

Yep. Donald Duck likely will be there, too.

IDT there's an expectation to be in ATL in five years. UT thought it needed to stabilize the program and there was consensus around five years to put in a foundation and rebuild. IDT there was a number put on this year, and IDT there will be a number put on next year. Fans do that, but I think decisionmakers are looking for things to align from a bigger-picture perspective. When they do, UT will act accordingly.

And I say this knowing few will agree.

If UT has no expectations of being in Atlanta in 5 years, then shut the program down. This same reasoning about rebuilding has been used since the end of the 2008 season, almost like the administration is saying, “you’re going to eat what we serve you, and you will eat it or starve.”

With the right coach, it does not take 5 years to rebuild. There are several examples of programs having rapid success in the past few years alone. The right coach would be competing in year 2, be in Atlanta in year 3, and contending for national titles in year 4 (if not sooner). The roster was not that bad after Butch, and if we’re being honest, his players have outperformed Pruitt’s. To me, it doesn’t matter who recruited which players, a good coach maximizes the talent available to him. A good coach understands that you fit your philosophy/plays to your players, not the other way around (re: Worley with Butch, the whole team with Pruitt).

Simply put, we must demand better and leave the excuses at the door. Until the UTAD takes a kick to the groin (proverbially and financially), it will continue to be status quo.

 

[volinbama256]

No its you cant put the expectations of Atlanta on a coach when the program has been there since 07. Again numbers are arbitrary but putting a number on it is getting to consistently 8+ wins. Then we can start worrying about Atlanta. If I had to give a 5 year timeline for Pruitt after this season it would be something like this:
1- 8+wins
2- 8+wins
3-9 wins
4-5 10+

So you are giving JP five more years after his third year going 3-7? So his first 3 seasons were just a wash, or just practice/warming up to get serious and actually start to improve? Interesting... not sure that dog hunts for most people here....