Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[volinbama256]

OH, and I don't care what anyone says on here, unless major changes are made to this staff and the overall mindset changes with both the players and coaches, there's no way in hell JP "turns it around with his plan" next season, it will simply be just another season of this BS....

 

[Orange Studs]

He’d be right. Folks might very well be singing a different tune on here this time next year.

I hope the tune gets changed cause I am tired of singing the tune when been singing for the last 15years

 

[hotcypress]

He’d be right. Folks might very well be singing a different tune on here this time next year.

Keep giving us updates, Phil. I'm glad your grandkids showed you how to create an account and use the message boards.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

But he didn't fail.

He got fired...he sure as hell didn't succeed.

 

[volbeast33]

I understand that. My question was about your comment about Tennessee fans not being "understanding" about losing. I asked do you feel we should be understanding like Vandy fans or FL fans? FL had a team in the top ten this year after hiring a coach at the same time we did. They are NOT understanding at all right now after losing to the defending national champs, losing be a few points to the #1 team in the nation, and getting drilled by a top offense after having several starters opt out of the bowl game. They expect to win. Find a way! If you have been on here a while you know I am the head cheerleader. I was very understanding of all the reasons why we were losing. Until they lost to Arkansas which was the worst team in the SEC for 2 years and had hired a OL coach because he did more with what he had than we did. I hate it when fans overreact, but Tennessee fans have been loyal and understanding through a lot for a long, long time. If the university wants us to be understanding like Vanderbilt and not really care, it's not going to be long before we have the same amount of fans in the stands. Of course we will still get the TV money like Vandy does.

It was more of a comment towards a poster wanting them to play young players..... I feel it is more difficult to build at Tennessee than some of the other schools..... our state is not typically loaded with talent and a lot of the talent is from other states that has moved to our growing metropolitans..... when we were at our best.... the teams in our neighboring states were weak and we would cherry pick players from those states..... I, honestly, don’t know if it’s better to be patient and have a longer rebuild or try and change coaches every few years and start over.

 

[orange parmejohn]

He’d be right. Folks might very well be singing a different tune on here this time next year.

It’s almost if we didn’t hear this every single offseason.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I was being serious. Was just asking when we would see it.

I’m assuming you’re asking for evidence on the turn around and not evidence of Ty, Trey, Cade and Cope hunting together with the poster from TOS? If that’s the case I have no idea. But I also like to think that TY is going to be a Vol and will help with the ‘22 class. I have no desire to think about anything other than the future at this point.

 

[PolkVol]

Hope spring eternal, I guess. This really is probably the best case scenario, get impact transfers, show vast improvement, get a lot of the in state talent in 2022. But, there's only about 1% of me that believes this is possible with Pruitt. He's going to have to have an Ebenezer Scrooge type change for it to happen.

Well....He was hired by the 'ghost of TN past'... who knows

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You start drinking again. You are saying some real ignorant crap tonight. You think Pruitt could win a Sugar Bowl at Texas

They both suck, and Texas was loaded and playing a Georgia team that was doing their annual "we didn't make the playoffs, so we don't care" routine.

 

[Headvol]

$$$$

BS I can’t believe that any team has any more revenue than we do

 

[LA Vol]

Just for reference, in your opinion, what do you think senior leadership considers to be an acceptable record for a head coach at UT. I'm not asking with regard to Pruitt or COVID or rebuilding or any other excuse they may use to justify today's decisions, I'm saying that if you get Coach Fulmer or Randy Boyd on his 3rd Scotch, what would they say is the minimum acceptable performance before UT should start looking around?

I think they look at it like we're a Big 6 program. In any given year, we should beat the cupcakes and lesser SEC programs and duel other Big 6 programs for division and conference championships. That's the path to the playoffs. UT has tended to schedule more aggressively OOC than other schools, and we have Bama as a cross-division rival-- both of which give FL and UGA an advantage. Still, the other Big 6 programs expect to compete for the division, with a shot at the conference, in any given year, and UT should expect no different. Clearly, UT has been a major disappointment for quite some time, and there's really no excuse for it.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

No, he does not

Yes he does..if he didn't suck, he wouldn't be getting fired.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

While we are raiding LSU let's bring Hampton home as well

 

[Tennessee Stud]

I hope the tune gets changed cause I am tired of singing the tune when been singing for the last 15years

Folks will be predicting 8 or 9 wins come fall. I’m sitting at 8-4 myself.

 

[volinbama256]

I'm telling ya, you get a Mike Singletary in here, give him free reign to call kids out and hold them accountable, and you will see a major difference in the mindset, tenacity, discipline, and fire in this entire team... reading about what Pope said in his interview, JP's not getting it done...

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'd take never had a losing season over two losing seasons in three years every time. Not sure who it is you think we're going to hire IF Pruitt gets fired. Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops aren't likely to be walking through that door. Doubt Matt Campbell would take the job, and doesn't he have a huge buyout anyway? My guess is UT will not take the chance on Hugh Freeze's baggage. So who are you looking at? Fickell? Napier? Chadwell? I like Herman as much or more than either of those three.

Ok

 

[tn88volfan]

Texas hired and fired a head coach on a Saturday, we did a zoom call with an OL coach that got Joe Burrow killed and got fired for metoo issues..... and ThInGs ArE gOnNa ImPrOvE nExT yEaR

 

[mr.checkerboards]

BS I can’t believe that any team has any more revenue than we do

Its not about revenue. It's TN has blown through theirs for years. With COVID TN doesn't have it right now and boosters aren't willing to pony up.

 

[HankHill]

I'm telling ya, you get a Mike Singletary in here, give him free reign to call kids out and hold them accountable, and you will see a major difference in the mindset, tenacity, discipline, and fire in this entire team... reading about what Pope said in his interview, JP's not getting it done...

soo.... replace stubborn with more stubborn?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think it’s a little harsh to say “failure” because he literally did not fail because he won more games than he lost every year both overall and in conference. He’s also 5-0 in bowl games which i think is a good thing in terms of him having his team prepared.

Did he live up to expectations? No. Did he fail? I don’t think so.

If he didn't fail, he wouldn't be getting fired. Who in their right mind calls getting axed a success?

 

[MrVolton]

It was more of a comment towards a poster wanting them to play young players..... I feel it is more difficult to build at Tennessee than some of the other schools..... our state is not typically loaded with talent and a lot of the talent is from other states that has moved to our growing metropolitans..... when we were at our best.... the teams in our neighboring states were weak and we would cherry pick players from those states..... I, honestly, don’t know if it’s better to be patient and have a longer rebuild or try and change coaches every few years and start over.

If instate recruiting was be all end all you make it out to be, Texas and Georgia would have twice as many National Championships as Alabama does. Instead, the opposite is true.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

The simple fact that JP has been here 3yrs, is most likely getting at least a 4th, are you saying there's not an expectation to be in ATL in 2 more years (5 total), or are you saying 5yrs from now? If there's not an expectation to be in ATL 5yrs from now, then burn the entire thing down and move on... that's a weak, non-competitive, pathetic mindset, with a clear view of not caring or wanting UT football to ever be good again... If it's 5yrs total of gump, then I can at least see and understand it, but don't agree with it...

I thinks he's saying there's not a hard number on it. Of JP gets to year 5 goes 10-2 with closes losses to AL and UGA but best UF then he's not auto fired because he didn't make Atlanta in 5 years.

 

[Orange Studs]

I’m assuming you’re asking for evidence on the turn around and not evidence of Ty, Trey, Cade and Cope hunting together with the poster from TOS? If that’s the case I have no idea. But I also like to think that TY is going to be a Vol and will help with the ‘22 class. I have no desire to think about anything other than the future at this point.

I thought they were talking like maybe some big transfers had already committed to come here and was just wondering if that was the visual evidence. Maybe I miss understood what "visual evidence" meant. I could have read that wrong.

 

[PolkVol]

If he didn't fail, he wouldn't be getting fired. Who in their right mind calls getting axed a success?

Gus Malzahn and his 21 million

 

[volinbama256]

soo.... replace stubborn with more stubborn?

please don't compare the old school discipline Singletary brings with gump and what he's done so far... don't. Singletary may have been a bit too rigid for the NFL, but it's probably what this team and program needs right now... And I wasn't suggesting coming in as a HC... You put him as a DC and let it fly....