To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
Trespassing on private property was quite clearly stated in common laws to cost ordinances for 300 plus years. I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that concept that people are not allowed to do what they want on your property.

As for the traffic laws (which we’ve debated endlessly on here) the codified state and city codes were put in place by elected officials who at the behest of their constituency demanded laws to fix common problems (speeding, jaywalking, failure to yield, driving fast in school zone etc). The rest (drivers license, proper tags, insurance) were put in to make sure people were legally driving as it is a privilege not a right
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I spoke about a very specific example. Would the Founding Fathers be comfortable with the state coming in and getting involved in a privet dispute over a mask.
 
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VolStrom said:
Imagine that between all of these "petty disturbances" and annoying calls they still managed to write probably 100 traffic tickets. Yay KPD!
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Most traffic tickets fall in 4 categories:

1) someone randomly did something blatantly dangerous in front of officer and got a ticket
2) officer was assigned to a special assignment due to tons of citizens complaints (school zone, speeding thru neighborhoods etc) and wrote some tickets
3) officer uses reasonable suspicion on a vehicle likely involved in Other criminal activity and ends up arresting the driver for other stuff but gives them a ticket
4) officer pulls someone over for several violations but writes them one ticket for something like tail light out or no insurance card where they only have to fix it and no more cost to the person other than that instead of the hefty fines for speeding or other moving violations.

Me, the majority of my traffic citations were one of these categories. Most tickets I wrote were not traffic but for other misdemeanor crimes. And I gave hundreds of verbal warnings.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I spoke about a very specific example. Would the Founding Fathers be comfortable with the state coming in and getting involved in a privet dispute over a mask.
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The Founding Fathers wouldve said much like Soldiers forcing themselves on people’s homes without leaving, any owner fo private property has the absolute right to protect their property and not to have to let strangers do what they want on it.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So how many petty disturbances do you think police are called to daily, even before masks were an issue? I’ll give you a hint. In Knoxville probably 30-50 a day. People arguing about car titles and child custody and their neighbors shooting fireworks. Homeless refusing to leave a bus. Drug addicts OD in a locked bathroom in a restaurant.
that is ON TOP of the traffic accidents, DUIs, robberies, mental health calls, drugs, domestics etc. we don’t “need removed” from it because that’s part of our job that no one else is equipped to handle
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Sounds like you are making my case. You all can't be everywhere and do every thing. Adding more responsibilities to your hopper isn't the answer. Sounds like you all need to shed about 30-50 calls a day.

Rickyvol77 said:
And no I never had anyone “represent” me so again your knowledge of that stuff seems like you assume all large city agencies are the same as everywhere else.
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Again, just a general statement. You cannot tell me that you don't have someone lobbying for or being an apologist for LEOs (including yourself) in some shape, form or fashion that could bring up these points I made.
 
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No matter how you feel about Leo's, the suicide statistic is an absolute shame. We've got to do a better job of providing mental health support for our front line responders - PD, FD, EMT
 
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dovervolz said:
Have ever seen him/ her make a positive claim in any cop?
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Ras would probably if given a positive role model. That's the problem with the police and why people riot, cops just don't GAS about the general population. They treat everyone like a scumbag at every interaction. Police reap what they sow.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ill gotten gains? How can it be determined the gains were ill gotten on the side of the road and without a trial?
Probable Cause

And by ill gotten gains, do you mean from drug sales, for example? Where a buyer and seller mutually agree on price and engage in commercial activity?
Yes, that’s exactly what I mean
And when are you cops going to arrest the counterfeiters in Washington DC that have printed up these trillions of dollars out of thin air? Not soon enough
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AshG said:
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No matter how you feel about Leo's, the suicide statistic is an absolute shame. We've got to do a better job of providing mental health support for our front line responders - PD, FD, EMT
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I agree, and it’s starting to kick off. Critical Incident Debriefings are becoming the norm and command staffs are beginning to utilize mental health strategies. Long overdue and a long way to go, but it’s trending
 
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tim said:
I agree, and it’s starting to kick off. Critical Incident Debriefings are becoming the norm and command staffs are beginning to utilize mental health strategies. Long overdue and a long way to go, but it’s trending
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You guys are are all heros. Thanks for blowing people away for us regular guys while we cower down.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Sounds like you are making my case. You all can't be everywhere and do every thing. Adding more responsibilities to your hopper isn't the answer. Sounds like you all need to shed about 30-50 calls a day.


Again, just a general statement. You cannot tell me that you don't have someone lobbying for or being an apologist for LEOs (including yourself) in some shape, form or fashion that could bring up these points I made.
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And what do you propose we do with these 50-100 calls that citizens make to 911? Ignore them?
 
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VolStrom said:
Ras would probably if given a positive role model. That's the problem with the police and why people riot, cops just don't GAS about the general population. They treat everyone like a scumbag at every interaction. Police reap what they sow.
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Rickyvol77 said:
You are overly dramatic and simplistic on this topic.
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I'm glad you police are so altruistic and have the general poplulation's best interest at heart. To be honest you guys really don't GAF about anyone you deal with on a normal day. If anyone even presents a minor threat you're going to shoot first and not think twice about it, hence your "legal and justified" defense.
 
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VolStrom said:
I'm glad you police are so altruistic and have the general poplulation's best interest at heart. To be honest you guys really don't GAF about anyone you deal with on a normal day. If anyone even presents a minor threat you're going to shoot first and not think twice about it, hence your "legal and justified" defense.
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Really? I’ve only been involved in one gunfight ever and I was shot at first. So how am I “shooting first at minor threats?” Or are you just having a simple overdramatic generalization based on your flawed view about a few specific incidents around the country
 
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tim said:
Refer all you want. The writers of those Amendments did not intend to protect ill gotten gains. You sell poison I would’ve seized anything I could tie to it.
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I had a good friend that was dating a coke dealer back in the late 80’s. She claims she didn’t know the level of dealing he did and I somewhat believed her since I’d known her from childhood. I got a call late one night from her begging me to come and get her out of jail..... in Atlanta. I went to get her and she was all bent out of shape crying and etc. because the cops took all of her money and jewelry which included a ring her recently deceased mother had given her. I can’t remember if she ever got it back....but I thought that was BS.
Her and her boyfriend were on their way back from Florida and the hotel they were staying at had recently had vehicles broken into and etc. the night they were there it happened again.... and the dealer boyfriend .... and idiot.... had taken the tags off of his truck and put them on his car.... the cops ran tags in the parking lot and when theirs didn’t match... they searched the room and the car. Coke was in the trunk
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
And what do you propose we do with these 50-100 calls that citizens make to 911? Ignore them?
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If we had the infrastructure to actively prosecute wasteful calls, I'd say we go that direction.

My dad, who was a beat cop in Chattanooga before meeting my mom, spent almost a decade in dispatch before his current position. The number of idiot calls that would come in are staggering. Bad perms and wrong fast food orders. "Yeah, can you connect me to Officer Smith's patrol car?" Parents having trouble getting their kids out of bed.

Or one of the few times I saw my dad fight back tears - someone called and asked dispatch to send an ambulance for a dead body, then blew his brains out.

We don't give these men and women the support they actually need given the horrors they face every day.
 
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I call out bad behavior by LEOs but also make sure that I share stories when they do things that I find admirable/kind.

I will say that my main concern is the blue wall of silence that allows far to many cops to get away with things that civilians would never get away with.
My sister is retired LEO. I have a strained relationship with her as she believes she is never wrong and the world operates in a black & white vacuum.
 
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