To Protect and to Serve II

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tim said:
Im sure you understand the difference between someone (you) bagging on a person for helping another human and someone (me) bagging on you for being a db
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Show where anyone in here was bagging on someone for helping another human.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Show where anyone in here was bagging on someone for helping another human.
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Implying that a cop is a unicorn because he helped someone infers that he is the only cop that helps people. I’d say my post infers that he bagged on the remaining Leo’s that help people every day.
 
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VolStrom said:
I called him a unicorn, is that your definition of me bagging on him? I was commenting to the cops can do no wrong contingent on here, which you must be one of.
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Ive not seen a “cops can do no wrong” contingent. I’ve seen some including myself agree on some misbehavior or other mistakes by police when shown and then disprove other whining about police conduct that is actually justified and legal and criticized by those who don’t understand law and/or law enforcement training and procedures
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If you mean “arrest” someone for not wearing mask in public no way, if you mean arresting someone for trespassing because they refuse to wear a mask inside a business and won’t leave it absolutely
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Your union needs to do more to get keep you all from getting involved in a lot of these petty situations.

Not wearing a mask (even on private property) isn't worthy of a police call. What next, they didn't put pickles on my Big Mac?
 
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VolStrom said:
I called him a unicorn, is that your definition of me bagging on him? I was commenting to the cops can do no wrong contingent on here, which you must be one of.
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I have not seen anyone who thinks cops “do no wrong” here or in real life. There may be a difference of opinion but cops are willing to see when others are or have screwed up. Otoh, theres those like you who think all cops are bad and if one does someone good he or she is a unicorn.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ive not seen a “cops can do no wrong” contingent. I’ve seen some including myself agree on some misbehavior or other mistakes by police when shown and then disprove other whining about police conduct that is actually justified and legal and criticized by those who don’t understand law and/or law enforcement training and procedures
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ive not seen a “cops can do no wrong” contingent. I’ve seen some including myself agree on some misbehavior or other mistakes by police when shown and then disprove other whining about police conduct that is actually justified and legal and criticized by those who don’t understand law and/or law enforcement training and procedures
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I'm not going to go back and forth with you about what is legal or not because I'm sure the law allows a lot of things to be done that are not proper or just.

But for you to argue that many of these actions are "justified" is where we can really see the thinking behind the decisions that a lot of cops make.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Your union needs to do more to get keep you all from getting involved in a lot of these petty situations.

Not wearing a mask (even on private property) isn't worthy of a police call. What next, they didn't put pickles on my Big Mac?
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Again businesses have the right to make anyone leave their private property for any reason. If you argue with a McDonald’s about a messed up order and they ask you to leave and you refuse you will be removed or arrested. It’s not a hard concept to follow.

And I’ve never been a part of a union so I don’t know what you are referring to? As for “petty” situations the public calls police everyday for them because they can’t handle small crap themselves. That’s not the polices fault
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ive not seen a “cops can do no wrong” contingent. I’ve seen some including myself agree on some misbehavior or other mistakes by police when shown and then disprove other whining about police conduct that is actually justified and legal and criticized by those who don’t understand law and/or law enforcement training and procedures[/QUOTE]

You opened the door for a lot of stuff with this comment. So tell me when someone is killed by a police officer does it need to be "justified and legal" or just legal? If both tell me the difference.
So why would the general public need to understand the law enforcement training and procedures to keep themselves alive? So I guess what you're saying is you have more rights than I do?
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not going to go back and forth with you about what is legal or not because I'm sure the law allows a lot of things to be done that are not proper or just.

But for you to argue that many of these actions are "justified" is where we can really see the thinking behind the decisions that a lot of cops make.
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It’s because besides training I also have extensively studied constitutional, state and local laws and have a great grasp of understanding the decided cases of the legality as well as the societal reasons the laws were created in the first place. By the people whom were voted in and wrote them to deal with specific issues that plagued the cities
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not going to go back and forth with you about what is legal or not because I'm sure the law allows a lot of things to be done that are not proper or just.

But for you to argue that many of these actions are "justified" is where we can really see the thinking behind the decisions that a lot of cops make.
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Other than civil asset forfeiture, which I strongly believe in, I have rarely or ever disagreed with some of the cops you post about. Some of your posts lack facts, thats what I generally disagree with.
 
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Lmao the public should know that if you a shoot a police officer, there is a high likelihood you may get shot or killed. It doesn’t take a rocket science to figure that out. The fact that the majority of the public (much like most other topics) get their legal knowledge from tv dramas and Twitter is the reason that too many simply can’t understand the laws themselves
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Show me where I said all cops are bad.
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I’ve never seen where you’ve ever posted anything positive about cops. It’s all been negative. Now I don’t read all posts so it’s possible you’ve slipped one in there. But it would be a very rare occasion because you surely have an axe to grind against cops
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again businesses have the right to make anyone leave their private property for any reason. If you argue with a McDonald’s about a messed up order and they ask you to leave and you refuse you will be removed or arrested. It’s not a hard concept to follow.
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It wasn't about Mickey D's trying to escort me out. It was me saying that if you are going to show up to resolve a petty issue like a mask mandate, then how far are you from resolving a petty matter such as a lunch order at a restaurant? Don't you cops have killers, bombers and robbers to be chasing down? Now you want to add mask policing to the list? Just dumb...

Rickyvol77 said:
And I’ve never been a part of a union so I don’t know what you are referring to? As for “petty” situations the public calls police everyday for them because they can’t handle small crap themselves. That’s not the polices fault
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The comment about the union was simply a general statement. You have somebody that represents you as a LEO. Whether it be a union or just some organization or association of cops... whatever. Point is that whoever is lobbying for you needs to be out there getting you all as far removed from these types of petty grievances as possible.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It’s because besides training I also have extensively studied constitutional, state and local laws and have a great grasp of understanding the decided cases of the legality as well as the societal reasons the laws were created in the first place. By the people whom were voted in and wrote them to deal with specific issues that plagued the cities
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Just so we get this right, you want to follow the letter of the law, you just don't care to follow the spirit of the law.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It’s because besides training I also have extensively studied constitutional, state and local laws and have a great grasp of understanding the decided cases of the legality as well as the societal reasons the laws were created in the first place. By the people whom were voted in and wrote them to deal with specific issues that plagued the cities
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And when they were writing the Constitution, they had the intent of the state to drag people out of businesses or private property over a mask? Or for stopping people on the side of the road for petty fees and fines?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It wasn't about Mickey D's trying to escort me out. It was me saying that if you are going to show up to resolve a petty issue like a mask mandate, then how far are you from resolving a petty matter such as a lunch order at a restaurant? Don't you cops have killers, bombers and robbers to be chasing down? Now you want to add mask policing to the list? Just dumb...

The comment about the union was simply a general statement. You have somebody that represents you as a LEO. Whether it be a union or just some organization or association of cops... whatever. Point is that whoever is lobbying for you needs to be out there getting you all as far removed from these types of petty grievances as possible.
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So how many petty disturbances do you think police are called to daily, even before masks were an issue? I’ll give you a hint. In Knoxville probably 30-50 a day. People arguing about car titles and child custody and their neighbors shooting fireworks. Homeless refusing to leave a bus. Drug addicts OD in a locked bathroom in a restaurant.
that is ON TOP of the traffic accidents, DUIs, robberies, mental health calls, drugs, domestics etc. we don’t “need removed” from it because that’s part of our job that no one else is equipped to handle

I think you really need to attend a citizens police academy or do ride a longs with a local agency because I notice that you are a pretty smart guy but seem not to get what officers actually do over the course of their shift.

And no I never had anyone “represent” me so again your knowledge of that stuff seems like you assume all large city agencies are the same as everywhere else.
 
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VolStrom said:
Just so we get this right, you want to follow the letter of the law, you just don't care to follow the spirit of the law.
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What are you taking about? I was always quite fair of who got arrested, went to jail vs getting a ticket or a warning etc. Which law are you referring to about this “spirit”
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lmao the public should know that if you a shoot a police officer, there is a high likelihood you may get shot or killed. It doesn’t take a rocket science to figure that out.
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Context? Who ever said it was ok to shoot cops and not expect them to return fire?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And when they were writing the Constitution, they had the intent of the state to drag people out of businesses or private property over a mask? Or for stopping people on the side of the road for petty fees and fines?
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Trespassing on private property was quite clearly stated in common laws to cost ordinances for 300 plus years. I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that concept that people are not allowed to do what they want on your property.

As for the traffic laws (which we’ve debated endlessly on here) the codified state and city codes were put in place by elected officials who at the behest of their constituency demanded laws to fix common problems (speeding, jaywalking, failure to yield, driving fast in school zone etc). The rest (drivers license, proper tags, insurance) were put in to make sure people were legally driving as it is a privilege not a right
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So how many petty disturbances do you think police are called to daily, even before masks were an issue? I’ll give you a hint. In Knoxville probably 30-50 a day. People arguing about car titles and child custody and their neighbors shooting fireworks. Homeless refusing to leave a bus. Drug addicts OD in a locked bathroom in a restaurant.
that is ON TOP of the traffic accidents, DUIs, robberies, mental health calls, drugs, domestics etc. we don’t “need removed” from it because that’s part of our job that no one else is equipped to handle

I think you really need to attend a citizens police academy or do ride a longs with a local agency because I notice that you are a pretty smart guy but seem not to get what officers actually do over the course of their shift.

And no I never had anyone “represent” me so again your knowledge of that stuff seems like you assume all large city agencies are the same as everywhere else.
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Imagine that between all of these "petty disturbances" and annoying calls they still managed to write probably 100 traffic tickets. Yay KPD!
 
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tim said:
Refer all you want. The writers of those Amendments did not intend to protect ill gotten gains. You sell poison I would’ve seized anything I could tie to it.
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Ill gotten gains? How can it be determined the gains were ill gotten on the side of the road and without a trial?

And by ill gotten gains, do you mean from drug sales, for example? Where a buyer and seller mutually agree on price and engage in commercial activity?

And when are you cops going to arrest the counterfeiters in Washington DC that have printed up these trillions of dollars out of thin air?
 
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