Hugh Freeze mega thread and poll [merged]

[UTNOW20]

Freeze can counter the negative recruiting. Especially now. 10 win season at LIBERTY. just beat #12 team in America. Beat Syracuse, and Virginia tech. He hasn’t been in the news for bad things,

Surely you jest my dear fellow??!! Imagine the downward spiral the program is in when fans countenance the hiring of a coach with such dubious character?? Especially striking when juxtaposed with that most magnanimous molder of men, CPF. Let Vols everywhere hope that the decision makers forfend UT from such a shambolic decision.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

And I keep telling you that Freeze only beat Bama when he had 5 star recruits. How he got them matters though and there is a high possibility that how he got them will be the reason he will never get them again. Without those recruits he can’t beat the big boys. I could be wrong, I have said that, but to pretend that he could recruit like he did in 2013 is at worst a pipe dream, at best just a dream.

And you think Harbaugh or Herman are beating Saban with anything less than elite recruits?? Again, recruiting at TN is much easier than Ole Miss. Dooley, Butch and Pruitt got 5*s here. Think about the class we would have signed this year if Pruitt would have won. Mims, Mondon Lewis, Henderson. Winning solves a lot. The bottom line is there is NO coach that can beat the big boys without elite recruits. If you don’t think, with Freezes recent success, and his ties in the South, that he couldn’t recruit at a high level at TN then you need to educate yourself.

Also, can you say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the only way Freeze got all those 5*s was because of illegal means?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I remember all the clamoring for strong and Sumlin. They were the same level as we hired. Get Freeze period while you have the chance. Pay for Muschamp or Chizlik as a DC. Freeze will allow them to coach. Then hell make a run at Malzhan as OC. If UT football finally wants to compete with the Big Boys and make the money it can then start making big boy hires instead of nickel and diming over and over

Freeze is a better OC than Malzahan.

 

[drawing dead]

Lol

Keep trying buddy.

But you still give NO answer.

I have been perfectly clear from the beginning.
I believe there is not a good hire to be had for TN right now and certainly no lock hire despite those that suggest Freeze is just that, a cod lock. I have always stated in other threads that I believe we should wait 1 more year because every rehire starts the 4-6 process over again with no guarantee. Unlike most, I believe we will see significant progress next year and the team will be worth watching.

That would be a much more appealing place to come to if you are proven HC and the admin will have better prospects with more leverage. Again, I could be wrong.

 

[drawing dead]

And you think Harbaugh or Herman are beating Saban with anything less than elite recruits?? Again, recruiting at TN is much easier than Ole Miss. Dooley, Butch and Pruitt got 5*s here. Think about the class we would have signed this year if Pruitt would have won. Mims, Mondon Lewis, Henderson. Winning solves a lot. The bottom line is there is NO coach that can beat the big boys without elite recruits. If you don’t think, with Freezes recent success, and his ties in the South, that he couldn’t recruit at a high level at TN then you need to educate yourself.

Also, can you say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the only way Freeze got all those 5*s was because of illegal means?

I could say that but it means nothing coming from me. But ask yourself, if Saban or Kirby says that to a 5 star recruit and parent, would it mean something?

 

[JoAllan]

I have been perfectly clear from the beginning.
I believe there is not a good hire to be had for TN right now and certainly no lock hire despite those that suggest Freeze is just that, a cod lock. I have always stated in other threads that I believe we should wait 1 more year because every rehire starts the 4-6 process over again with no guarantee. Unlike most, I believe we will see significant progress next year and the team will be worth watching.

That would be a much more appealing place to come to if you are proven HC and the admin will have better prospects with more leverage. Again, I could be wrong.

My post was to “he hasn’t won titles”

So even if Tennessee waits 1 more year or 10........what head Coach is Tennessee going to hire who has titles?

I would love it.....but don’t see it.

 

[bpalmer28]

I could say that but it means nothing coming from me. But ask yourself, if Saban or Kirby says that to a 5 star recruit and parent, would it mean something?

That is the question. First of all I don’t think Saban would do that but if he did I’d say “no”. Don’t underestimate the people who go to bat for Freeze. He’s got a lot of high character friends who love him.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I could say that but it means nothing coming from me. But ask yourself, if Saban or Kirby says that to a 5 star recruit and parent, would it mean something?

So basically you are in the mindset that a person. Annoy change. A person is incapable of rehabilitation and redemption. That person is doomed to have a dark cloud over his head because of a few previous mistakes?

And let’s be honest here, what are we talking about? Money from boosters? That happens literally everywhere. So Freeze arranged for escorts for players. Basically he paid to get hot women to have sex with recruits. While that’s morally bad, is that really something that should permanently stain his reputation?

Also, think about this. Why do you think he had to resort to those tactics at Ole Miss? Does Ole Miss have anywhere near the recruiting budget, resources or base that TN has? The answer is a resounding NO. Freeze would not have to resort to such tactics to recruit at a high level at TN.

Look at Land Kiffin. First year at Ole Miss and he was in it with Bama until the 3rd quarter. Freeze is just as good as Kiffin as a play caller. The bottom line is Freeze is a coach that knows offense and how to win. That’s what we need.

 

[Vfl2407]

Hugh was so lucky to win the bowl game last night after his bone headed play calling at the end of regulation. He is not yet ready to lead a team in the SEC as a head coach. OC; Yes. Head coach; NO way.

Just say no. Move on. Nothing here for Tennessee to get excited about as a head coach.

play call was fine.
RB messed up after doing the right thing the play before

 

[drawing dead]

So basically you are in the mindset that a person. Annoy change. A person is incapable of rehabilitation and redemption. That person is doomed to have a dark cloud over his head because of a few previous mistakes?

And let’s be honest here, what are we talking about? Money from boosters? That happens literally everywhere. So Freeze arranged for escorts for players. Basically he paid to get hot women to have sex with recruits. While that’s morally bad, is that really something that should permanently stain his reputation?

Also, think about this. Why do you think he had to resort to those tactics at Ole Miss? Does Ole Miss have anywhere near the recruiting budget, resources or base that TN has? The answer is a resounding NO. Freeze would not have to resort to such tactics to recruit at a high level at TN.

Look at Land Kiffin. First year at Ole Miss and he was in it with Bama until the 3rd quarter. Freeze is just as good as Kiffin as a play caller. The bottom line is Freeze is a coach that knows offense and how to win. That’s what we need.

Just pointing out the obvious hurdles with recruiting and that it is not an absolute as to what ‘we need’. We agree that Freeze is a good coach, we just disagree that he can recruit like he used to and has to in order to get us back where we want to be.

Unlike the other poster who doesn’t believe Saban and Kirby would use it against him, I believe they will. The SEC is ruthless, which is why Freeze did what he did with the escorts/players in the first place.

Hell, I forgave him the day I heard about it and Dabo, Kirby, Saban and the rest probably forgave him too. They will still beat him over the head with it if that is what it takes to win a 5 star recruit.

 

[Vfl2407]

But neither are as good. The whole baggage thing is overblown. Freeze isn’t the same guy he was.

Durn tootin.
As Juremy would say, “he done turnt back to the Lord”.

 

[Vfl2407]

If Freeze really wants the UT job, he is gonna have to come out and openly say it. Once it is out in the open, Fulmer and the UT admin would be unable to stop it from happening. Until a hero steps forward, we are stuck with this corruption.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

SOON - Freeze to Tennessee

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

You simply mean better in record.

That doesn’t necessarily mean “better.”

Freeze took over a 4-8 Arkansas State team and in his first year they went 10-3

Freeze took over a 2-10 Mississippi team and in his first year they went 7-6

Saying one is better is very subjective. However to “me” the totality of Freeze is better.

The W/L record is all you have at the end of the day. It is the stat that trumps all other stats.

 

[loservol]

Or a rescue from the great Kevin Bacon



All it takes is a sports reporter with a spine to ask Freeze if he will step up and be the hero Volnation needs.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

That is the question. First of all I don’t think Saban would do that but if he did I’d say “no”. Don’t underestimate the people who go to bat for Freeze. He’s got a lot of high character friends who love him.

Well since John Bandy says it(whoever the hell he is) Freeze is the best HC in America. lol!

 

[JoAllan]

The W/L record is all you have at the end of the day. It is the stat that trumps all other stats.

No

Come on now, I know you truly don’t believe that.

Random coach A went 11-2 at say Tennessee Tech.

Random coach B went 10-3 at say Vanderbilt.

Random coach A was in his first season. He took over a team that had previously went 12-1.

Random coach B was in his first season. He took over a team that had previously went 2-10.

There’s a huge difference......you, I and everyone can see it. Your simply trying to boost your argument with fallacy. Just because you say it......or even I say it doesn’t make it true.

“Record” is NOT all we have. One record vs another is not the same......and would not trump all other determining factors.

 

[deezvols]

The W/L record is all you have at the end of the day. It is the stat that trumps all other stats.

Yeah cause 10-2 at an OVC school definitely means the coach is better the the one who goes 9-3 in the SEC

 

[deezvols]

No

Come on now, I know you truly don’t believe that.

Random coach A went 11-2 at say Tennessee Tech.

Random coach B went 10-3 at say Vanderbilt.

Random coach A was in his first season. He took over a team that had previously went 12-1.

Random coach B was in his first season. He took over a team that had previously went 2-10.

There’s a huge difference......you, I and everyone can see it. Your simply trying to boost your argument with fallacy. Just because you say it......or even I say it doesn’t make it true.

“Record” is NOT all we have. One record vs another is not the same......and would not trump all other determining factors.

You said it much better lol.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Yeah cause 10-2 at an OVC school definitely means the coach is better the the one who goes 9-3 in the SEC

Napier hasn’t any stinkers yet like the 5-7 last season at Ole Miss. What happened there? Why the regression if Freeze is so good? Looks similar to UT under Butch and Pruitt.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Haslam "hitched the wagon" to Phil to "fix it." Phil is a great Vol, lousy AD, good ol' boy extraordinare, legacy Vol, and super outta touch.

If you look at the Browns leadership issues as an indicator....... Haslam is.....uh..... well, just look for yourself.

Phil is on auto-PILOT. Telling old Vol war stories over good Scotch in the clubhouse after rounds at the Honors course with Jim, likely letting him win. Phil is insulated in a skybox on game day, seldom needs to do a presser, and cashing mega-checks.

Reality.

He needs to get the auto-boot. And if Haslam is still the one pulling the strings and keeping us in the ditch, he needs to find some other program to sabotage. Surely there must be at least one power booster who can summon up enough spine to stand up to him and say, "Enough. Our turn now."

 

[TN1111]

That is the question. First of all I don’t think Saban would do that but if he did I’d say “no”. Don’t underestimate the people who go to bat for Freeze. He’s got a lot of high character friends who love him.

Remember, Saban wanted to hire him [Freeze] for his offensive coordinator in 2018 and Sankey blocked him.

But what does Saban know about football.

 

[deezvols]

Napier hasn’t any stinkers yet like the 5-7 last season at Ole Miss. What happened there? Why the regression if Freeze is so good? Looks similar to UT under Butch and Pruitt.

You’re saying we can gauge who is a better coach simply by the record and no other factors, and that’s simply not true. There are way too many other factors that go into a team’s record to put it entirely on coaching.

 

[goooooovols]

You don’t get it.

Hugh Freeze is a good coach. You don’t need 5 star recruits to win at Liberty.
He does need 5 stars to play with the big boys and he had them at Ole Miss once upon a time. But how he got them will never be forgotten by the other SEC coaches and I believe it would keep him from getting the type players he would need to beat GA, FL, Bama. So in the end, without the players he would be 8-5ish type coach. I want someone that can beat the big boys and he cannot do it without the best recruits.

It is really that simple. Look for a coach that can recruit with Saban and Kirby and that is the guy we want. If there is any doubt, move on to the next coach. With Freeze there is doubt.

Yes! Freeze is not the answer

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

You’re saying we can gauge who is a better coach simply by the record and no other factors, and that’s simply not true. There are way too many other factors that go into a team’s record to put it entirely on coaching.

I’df course there our intangibles but the No. 1 criteria which needs to be considered is W/L success. Everything else is secondary.