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hog88 said:
You can't compare Pruitt to Majors, different game, era and expectations. People would be calling for Major's head if this was his first 3 seasons.

How much more evidence do you need to realize Pruitt isn't the guy? He has shown nothing to give us a glimmer of hope of ever competing with the top of the conference let alone a championship. There are 1-2 "sure things" in college coaching and neither will ever be coaching at UT but there are several with established records of winning with lesser talent, building programs and putting guys in the NFL and that is what we need.
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A lot to be said for the different era, game, expectations argument. If Majors hadn't been able to recruit something like 76 players in a class that included a guy named Dorsett, he probably wouldn't have had a NC to his name when he came to TN. I think we do have a problem with expectations in college football in general - about the length of time it takes to rebuild with recruiting restrictions, the number of years players can and do play, etc. The player turnover and having to compete with teams like Bama, GA, Clemson, and so on for replacements to rebuild a depleted team can be a killer. Put another way; what might Trump have accomplished in four years without the wolves constantly chewing on his butt.

I guess to know that Pruitt isn't the guy would require giving him the five years that everybody seemed to think was necessary to rebuild what Butch left. At least it looks like he'll be leaving a lot better selection of players than he inherited - a lot to be said for that. Also a year when things are normal again - free of covid restrictions. Sure those hurt everybody, but they are going to hurt rebuilding teams who never got the replacement freshmen they needed the experience required before the start of the season. I don't keep up with all of college football across the board, but the only recent SEC HC who appeared to exceed expectations this year was Sam Pittman. And his "rise" wasn't nearly as spectacular as Orgeron's fall.
 
#38,031
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AM64 said:
A lot to be said for the different era, game, expectations argument. If Majors hadn't been able to recruit something like 76 players in a class that included a guy named Dorsett, he probably wouldn't have had a NC to his name when he came to TN. I think we do have a problem with expectations in college football in general - about the length of time it takes to rebuild with recruiting restrictions, the number of years players can and do play, etc. The player turnover and having to compete with teams like Bama, GA, Clemson, and so on for replacements to rebuild a depleted team can be a killer. Put another way; what might Trump have accomplished in four years without the wolves constantly chewing on his butt.

I guess to know that Pruitt isn't the guy would require giving him the five years that everybody seemed to think was necessary to rebuild what Butch left. At least it looks like he'll be leaving a lot better selection of players than he inherited - a lot to be said for that. Also a year when things are normal again - free of covid restrictions. Sure those hurt everybody, but they are going to hurt rebuilding teams who never got the replacement freshmen they needed the experience required before the start of the season. I don't keep up with all of college football across the board, but the only recent SEC HC who appeared to exceed expectations this year was Sam Pittman. And his "rise" wasn't nearly as spectacular as Orgeron's fall.
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Just curious. Could Saban win here with UT current personnel?
 
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Orangeburst said:
Just curious. Could Saban win here with UT current personnel?
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Good question that we'll never have a chance to see. Do I think he would have the experience to figure out why staff and players appear to be under-performing - yeah. Do I think he'd come here, inherit what Pruitt did, and in three years be performing at the same level as the top tier in the SEC - probably not. I'd have to say that a lot would depend on if it was Saban as an unknown (but with the same experience) or a transplanted Saban with his Bama mystique intact. Dickey had quite a record and reputation here; went home to FL and bombed. I firmly believe success in one place doesn't guarantee success elsewhere, and that lack of success one place always insures failure elsewhere. A lot of coaches can't even replicate success at the same place from one year to the next when all the pieces are pretty much intact (as much as possible with NCAA football rules).
 
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AM64 said:
Good question that we'll never have a chance to see. Do I think he would have the experience to figure out why staff and players appear to be under-performing - yeah. Do I think he'd come here, inherit what Pruitt did, and in three years be performing at the same level as the top tier in the SEC - probably not. I'd have to say that a lot would depend on if it was Saban as an unknown (but with the same experience) or a transplanted Saban with his Bama mystique intact. Dickey had quite a record and reputation here; went home to FL and bombed. I firmly believe success in one place doesn't guarantee success elsewhere, and that lack of success one place always insures failure elsewhere. A lot of coaches can't even replicate success at the same place from one year to the next when all the pieces are pretty much intact (as much as possible with NCAA football rules).
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It really is a crap shoot. Belicheck struggles without Brady and even the NFL cannot evaulate talent to an exceptional degree, or even a Orgeron lucks out a Burrow. There are alot of ingredients in a soup.
 
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