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Atlanta VOL said:
He’s not teachable and you know this. He’s one of the biggest hard heads I have ever come across in my life and I deal with some folks who think they know everything. All of the warning signs and red flags were there when we hired him...this is why it will be Fulmer who won’t be able to make it through this thing. His attempted micromanagement style of the football program as well is something that is and will be of great concern for folks as well. Not many coach’s are going to want to come in and deal with some of the stuff JP has had to deal with from that aspect.
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Stuff like being overly involved with the hiring of assistant coaches?
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
He’s not teachable and you know this. He’s one of the biggest hard heads I have ever come across in my life and I deal with some folks who think they know everything. All of the warning signs and red flags were there when we hired him...this is why it will be Fulmer who won’t be able to make it through this thing. His attempted micromanagement style of the football program as well is something that is and will be of great concern for folks as well. Not many coach’s are going to want to come in and deal with some of the stuff JP has had to deal with from that aspect.
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How in the hell did he make it through the interview process then? Those traits are something interviewers pick up on right away! Ethics, moral and other things are generally traits that come out after the fact. You’d think that proper vetting and simply talking with him multiple times would have shown Fulmer his true colors?!?
Was Fulmer desperate?
 
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LA Vol said:
I do know this. Casey sometimes reads here, so I try to be diplomatic. Absolutely the warning signs and red flags were there when we hired him-- and I've said over and over that his personality and style are what they've always been. Couple that with the dynamics and learning curve at a place like UT, where winning is expected and fans are impatient, and we're where we are. And I agree that Fulmer won't get a mulligan.
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@LA Vol give me your top 3-5 coaches you would go after that you think would fit and be successful at UT? Who would you hire as PF’s replacement?
 
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amavol2 said:
He's right, we are fans and they do not need any money from us, without fans the football team will move smoothly along.
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He's talking about this team, not the program. The team is a brotherhood. They will stand up for their brothers, as they should.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
It's the same thing with Belichick assistants in the NFL. They rarely can beat him. And his program just keeps humming along.

Just say no to the up and coming Bama assistants from now on.
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Yep. I don't think it is a coincidence that both Belichick and Saban assistants have been hit-or-miss at best as head coaches. Saban is very good at identifying and training people to do exactly what he tells them to. Essentially, he hires really good employees. People who want to work, who he trains to do certain things for him, etc. He's so good at identifying these people that the operation never misses a beat even though it has insanely high turnover.

The problem is that you can't think like an employee as a head coach; you have to think more like a business owner/entrepreneur/manager. Pruitt, in everything I've heard about the guy, seems way to narrowly-focused and thinks like an employee.
 
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HankHill said:
Seriously.... without typing the word money (Bc let’s be honest, no one except the actual people who handle or provide the money REALLY know...). I would love to hear a valid argument as to why someone thinks Jeremy Pruitt should be our head coach for 2021.
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Fulmers pride.
 
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LA Vol said:
I do know this. Casey sometimes reads here, so I try to be diplomatic. Absolutely the warning signs and red flags were there when we hired him-- and I've said over and over that his personality and style are what they've always been. Couple that with the dynamics and learning curve at a place like UT, where winning is expected and fans are impatient, and we're where we are. And I agree that Fulmer won't get a mulligan.
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Do you think Pruitt wants out?
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Let me be clear on one point....JP is not insecure...butch was....
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He strikes me as being the arrogant savant who doesn't know the boundaries of his gifting. Within his world he does know more than you, but outside it, he's barely functional. To top it off, he lacks the awareness to know which he's operating in.

Is he mildly autistic? I wonder.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
How in the hell did he make it through the interview process then? Those traits are something interviewers pick up on right away! Ethics, moral and other things are generally traits that come out after the fact. You’d think that proper vetting and simply talking with him multiple times would have shown Fulmer his true colors?!?
Was Fulmer desperate?
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He was like candidate #43 and he had a list.
 
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LA Vol said:
Agents will demand high pay, multi-year contracts, big buyouts if they're fired and no/low buyouts if they want to leave, then they'll want to sweeten the deal with bonuses and concessions before trying to scratch any boilerplate clause that's favorable to UT. A call from UT is like being handed a powerball ticket. Just ask Chaney and Ansley how sweet leverage is.
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The above is a given and we know we're going to overpay. How receptive do you think coaches are going to be, money aside?

I fear we're not going to be able to get the right people, because of Pruitt's rep and because they look at us as a cash in and not a build.
 
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I wonder if Phil is the way he is because he has a first time HC to work with. Maybe his involvement would be less with an experienced head coach.
 
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Devo182 said:
He's talking about this team, not the program. The team is a brotherhood. They will stand up for their brothers, as they should.
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I don’t get why this is so difficult for some to grasp. Real teammates back each other up and protect each other, especially from the outside. That’s how a team works.

That’s a good thing, people. Don’t be idiots by arguing with the players.
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Let me be clear on one point....JP is not insecure...butch was....
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I can attest to Butch being insecure, I met him, shook his hand a looked into his eyes and I knew. He was scared, that was the day we played Ohio and barely scraped a win out.

I've never met Pruitt but he strikes me as pompous and arrogant.
 
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Batman1948 said:
I believe he has a mother and father so he couldn't be what you called him. You don't have to like him but there's no reason to call him out like that. I believe you're a better man than that.
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Hey! Not an actual bastard! Maybe I need a break from here. The evidence suggest he’s uncouth though 😜
 
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KB5252 said:
I can attest to Butch being insecure, I met him, shook his hand a looked into his eyes and I knew. He was scared, that was the day we played Ohio and barely scraped a win out.

I've never met Pruitt but he strikes me as pompous and arrogant.
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Ive never gotten to talk to him because I was working, but ive seen Pruitt at a few events outside of UT. This is the vibe I got as well. I remember a few months after he was hired he was at an event, and I kid you not when I say he spent more time walking around in the hallway on his phone then he did in the room he was supposed to be in. The second time he was in there and somewhat trying, but honestly had a look like he could care less about being there.
 
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